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    My youngest daughter takes meds for OCD and she has Aspergers. Brilliant kid in math and physics .. But social awkward. And a horrible social fit in YW.

    At our house, we phrase the 3 degrees of glory in less absolute terms. Our extended family is of multiple religious beliefs. All really good people .. But not all LDS. (But then, JS isn’t someone who I am really fond of right now.)

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    frame the kingdoms of glory in terms of the condition of the heart: the unrepentant (Telestial),the decent who just don’t try (Terrestrial) and people who do their best and try to improve (Celestial). That helps a lot of people with a healthier perspective, imo.

    It think that captures it really well.

    Because of my daughter’s issues, we skip “standards night” and fire sides that focus on modesty, chastity, and appropriate dating behaviors. She doesn’t have problems in any of those areas. She doesn’t need those lessons drilled into her. She internalized those lessons a little too well the first time she heard them. Many kids need the reminders .. She doesn’t.

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    I have no problem with teaching perfection as our goal, IF it is framed as an eternal journey to become complete, whole, fully developed – as the Greek meaning footnote in Matthew 5:48 defines perfect. That is a forward-looking, exciting journey of growth and discovery.

    When the more common definition of mistake-free is used, all kinds of issues arise – even with a side dish of atonement and repentance, since that focus is backward-looking and fear-based.

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    Many organizations hold up a vision of perfection as a goal or mission so that all daily activity is to move towards that “perfect state” even if it isn’t realistic in the near term. Toyota has been held up as a model for business organizations, and that is what they do. It pushes everyone every day to be the best they can be and not accept underperfomance or under effort, focusing the problems on the processes and systems, not on individuals.

    Religious organizations are interesting, and may need to learn something from Toyota. While the church can hold the “perfect state” as our vision to work towards, they could learn and shift the problems away from individual obedience to a perfect organization led by perfect revelation, but more about our participation to reveal and celebrate improving the organization/church to move closer to revelation. The church blames the person. Violating one of Toyota’s principles.

    Interestingly, Toyota values conforming and obedient and committed workers. But not for silence on criticizing the waste or defects they discover in the organization.

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    Very interesting Heber.

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