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I have been fairly open about expressing my reservations about Pres. Nelson and his conservative/old school/old guard leanings. I will humbly eat some crow now. The man is not afraid to do some things that have needed doing for a long, long time. He isn’t fixing home teaching, he’s replacing it – something I accused him of only willing to put a band-aid in the past (and in fairness he was not in a position to do what he’s doing then). I’m all in for ministering – and I’ll actually do it. I emailed my now former home teacher today, told him he was ahead of the curve, thanked him for being the home teacher I needed, and expressed my hope he would continue to minister. Likewise, the change in MP quorums was unexpected. I think it’s great, especially coupled with the above.
I do have some “buts” however I will reserve those and give credit where credit is do. Pres. Nelson, you have earned some respect. (Can we shoot for a 2 hour block next time?)
Oh, and for those of you who are more business minded – this is what disruptive innovation looks like.
Yes, I agree with most of what you say. I do think kudos are in order. I am not sure if this is something that can be attributed to RMN’s ideation; I have heard that many of the changes were in the works much earlier to his prophetship. But RMN would have had to approve those changes, so the gets some “on him” in a good way. And he did also announce a temple in a “major city in Russia” to be determined, which showed a desire to show cutting edge change even though it’s not definite yet. So there was a desire to be seen as a change agent on his part, I think. More kudos. I don’t believe this is what disruptive change looks like though. In a way, we will still be home teaching — just not according to the Law of Moses anymore. Instead, we will be living the spirit of the law, and there will still be reports. Priesthood leaders will still be beat up if their number of interviews is low. Unless they manage expectations the way I learned to manage home teaching — by reporting our efforts alongside the numbers. The same will need to happen from the interviewers.
Disruptive change totally changes the game. Existing players have to make MASSIVE change to survive. The internet is an example, and what it did to the newspaper and news industry as a whole. That was disruptive. The computer was disruptive to the typewriter industry. The new LDS changes are not disruptive change — they are incremental change.
These changes are historically large, but they amount to tinkering with existing programs and ways of doing things. What makes them seem disruptive is the fact they are so far out of the norm given the slow-to-change bureaucracy of the church. But of themselves, the represent only incremental change.
Now, enough of these changes do eventually create a massive transformation, but I don’t call this disruptive by any means. Just more different than than change we have seen in the past.
Not to take away from the kudos. I believe I have had a history of taking change and then slapping the church for being so slow at it. There did it again! I think we should give credit where credit it due.
You’re right SD, I should have been more specific. This is incremental innovation, which will likely lead to disruptive innovation. DarkJedi wrote:
You’re right SD, I should have been more specific. This is incremental innovation, which will likely lead to disruptive innovation.
A series of small changes can lead to an organization that no one recognizes eventually. i think if someone came out of stasis and saw the church as it was prior to this weekend, it would look largely the same. With these changes, it’s significantly different structurally for men. And no harping about Home Teaching will be positive, although it may masquerade as the same program under the monkier of ministering…time will tell.
I am with Dark Jedi on this – no matter what business model it’s called. In the dieting world or the work out world, a single change can change a body immensely. If all of these were in the works, he still had to pull the plug, take the chance, and get balls rolling. For me the biggest impact may be the new apostles. We now have 2 men who have openly gay family members. (Elder Gong and Elder Christofferson). For a traditional marriage supporter this is huge.
Yes there is room for the other shoe to drop. But for now I am going to move forward delighted.
When we get the 2 hour block – I am hosting the party.
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DarkJedi wrote:
You’re right SD, I should have been more specific. This is incremental innovation, which will likely lead to disruptive innovation.
A series of small changes can lead to an organization that no one recognizes eventually. i think if someone came out of stasis and saw the church as it was prior to this weekend, it would look largely the same. With these changes, it’s significantly different structurally for men. And no harping about Home Teaching will be positive, although it may masquerade as the same program under the monkier of ministering…time will tell.
I think if someone from 100 years ago visited a modern church meeting they wouldn’t recognize it. Those from Joseph’s or Brigham’s time definitely wouldn’t. And I think there’s a difference in disruptive innovation that happens outside an organization and disruptive innovation from within – the latter is mostly positive, the former can be a killer if you don’t do some innovation of your own.
What mom3 said. I am delighted. I enjoyed GC more than I have in a very long time. Aside from the focus on the Prophet, which had to have been expected, there wasn’t a serious, disturbing issue for me in the combined sessions.
Gotta say, too… very cool on the two new Apostles. Elder Gong is American-born of American parents, but he does clearly identify with Chinese heritage according to his GC talk in Oct 2010.
Elder Soares spoke in GC in April 2015 in his native Portuguese with dub-over translation. Was sort of hoping he might do the same this time, but I understand his reach is to the whole Church, at least in this first talk. He’s a rare non-native-English speaker in the Q12. Anthon Lund, DFU, and I swear sometimes NAMaxwell wasn’t speaking English. He’s the first Apostle not born in the US, Europe, Canada, or Mormon Colonies.
Together I think these calls do a lot to show that the Church as trying to be a bit more diverse, which I didn’t expect from RMN.
On Own Now wrote:… which I didn’t expect from RMN.
And I think that’s my point. Last time when three new apostles were called I was hoping for just one of the same three that were on the list this time – and got three more white guys. I did not expect this from RMN, nor did I expect sweeping changes in HT/VT or priesthood quorums. I actually saw RMN as one of the “home teaching is an inspired program and by golly we’re going to make it work no matter what” camp. My very orthodox (yes, TBM) was so shocked and overwhelmed that she made the comment “I expected to hear any second that women were going to be ordained to the priesthood” (which is not something she desires at all).
So, again, Kudos President. I hope there’s more to come and thanks for having the gumption to do what’s needed doing for a long time.
“I swear sometimes Neal A. Maxwell wasn’t speaking English.” 😆 :clap: 😆 :clap:
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