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I stay because it is my tribe, because I absolutely love how I see the big picture theology (compared to some of the doctrine and some of the culture), because I can support other ward members in lots of ways. It helps that my ward has had wonderful, caring Bishops, with good, sincere Stake Presidents since I have been here. There absolutely is Christ regularly, centrally, in my ward and in the hearts of my local leaders. That makes a HUGE difference.
I support whatever helps bring joy into your life, and if that means getting new perspectives from attending other churches at times, I support that. I have found great things in services I have attended – and I also have learned of serious issues in those congregations and churches when I have talked with friends in more detail than I could have heard in church meetings.
There are no perfect churches or organizations, but I like to try to help move mine toward the ideal.
Quote:The LDS church really isn’t set up for freshness. General conferences where the talks are largely indistinguishable from any other general conference of the last 20 years. Sacrament meetings and second hour lessons being echoes of general conference. The goal doesn’t appear to be freshness, the goal appears to be to get everyone on the same page with their beliefs.
I have noticed the same talk, tone of voice, lack of dynamic differences in talks for sometime. I have told my kids to watch/listen to talks from the 70s and 80s when the last of the pioneer church leaders were making their last stand. There was variety. And confidence in what they said. The Book of Mormon was front and center, Christ was mentioned regularly, and they only told you to tithe once. Of course that is romanticized, but when have we heard someone bare testimony like Elder McConkie in the last 35+ years? There seems to have been a clamping down on what is presented now. The irony of Christ-less conference talks are the length our current church president has gone to remodel the branding to make sure we will always use Christ’s name referencing the church. I still utter Mormon and always will.
I wonder if there is a desire to keep everyone pretty interchangeable. That way there can be no divisions. I wonder if maybe people on the fringes were getting too fond of Elder Uchtdorf and there might have been efforts to tone him down. Maybe… just speculation on my part. Relevant to this discussion, if all church leaders are more or less the same then their personalities and celebrity can take a backseat and that could in turn help a unified message of Jesus Christ to take center stage.
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I wonder if there is a desire to keep everyone pretty interchangeable. That way there can be no divisions. I wonder if maybe people on the fringes were getting too fond of Elder Uchtdorf and there might have been efforts to tone him down. Maybe… just speculation on my part.Relevant to this discussion, if all church leaders are more or less the same then their personalities and celebrity can take a backseat and that could in turn help a unified message of Jesus Christ to take center stage.
I have wondered that myself regarding Elder Uchtdorf. Was he too popular? Even my wife called him the Silver Fox. Was there jealousy involved? Speculation, yes!
If we’re referring to DFU being removed from the first presidency, the pragmatist in me says that DHO is next in line to become prophet but at the time Nelson became prophet DHO had no experience in the first presidency. They may have wanted to give DHO more exposure to the first presidency so he would have some experience should he ever become the prophet, so either HBE or DFU had to be replaced. HBE is higher up in the succession order, so they decided to replace DFU.
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