I feel unofficially excommunicated

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Forgotten charity,

I had to be amused that you found English and Scottish people nice…if it was in the US they will have been on best behaviour…! However, it is a well known fact that the Scots do not like the English. The English do not dislike the Scots….for instance if Scotland plays France at football world cup….England will support Scotland….but! if Engand played France in the football Scotland would support France…they have a saying ‘AOBE’ ( anyone but England). 🙄

I agree that it takes two to make something work…the relationship with my ward is toxic. There is no other way to describe it. We are at stalemate. I have gone back so many times….and nothing changes each time it just gets worse…and of course if you disappear for a while ( even for a vacation), they hold it against you.

I cannot win and it is not worth my health. I am very strong willed. I do not suffer fools. I am not the person I was when I began attending this ward. Working in education as I do these days, held you find yourself, and so I am less tolerant of the behaviours.I also am very informed about legislation, and have in no uncertain terms made it clear to leaders that some of their behaviours are actually in breech of UK law…if I chose to ( and I don’t) I could take the to court, for discrimination under the new Equality act 2010. Stake president did not like that after all his ‘discrimination’ was from God :crazy:

So I said he might care if he got a law suit in his lap! Yes. It is toxic. There are no local wards I can attend. Edinburgh is a different stake but its difficult to get to and I could not do the travel and stay 3 hrs. Besides, all of the angst has now caused me to have some doubts about the church…and I am not sure where I stand. My family in Australia are angry and have said that the leaders have placed a spiritual stumbling block in my path.

[Anonymous]

Brambleberry wrote:

Forgotten charity,

I had to be amused that you found English and Scottish people nice…if it was in the US they will have been on best behaviour…! However, it is a well known fact that the Scots do not like the English. The English do not dislike the Scots….for instance if Scotland plays France at football world cup….England will support Scotland….but! if Engand played France in the football Scotland would support France…they have a saying ‘AOBE’ ( anyone but England). 🙄

I agree that it takes two to make something work…the relationship with my ward is toxic. There is no other way to describe it. We are at stalemate. I have gone back so many times….and nothing changes each time it just gets worse…and of course if you disappear for a while ( even for a vacation), they hold it against you.

I cannot win and it is not worth my health. I am very strong willed. I do not suffer fools. I am not the person I was when I began attending this ward. Working in education as I do these days, held you find yourself, and so I am less tolerant of the behaviours.I also am very informed about legislation, and have in no uncertain terms made it clear to leaders that some of their behaviours are actually in breech of UK law…if I chose to ( and I don’t) I could take the to court, for discrimination under the new Equality act 2010. Stake president did not like that after all his ‘discrimination’ was from God :crazy:

So I said he might care if he got a law suit in his lap! Yes. It is toxic. There are no local wards I can attend. Edinburgh is a different stake but its difficult to get to and I could not do the travel and stay 3 hrs. Besides, all of the angst has now caused me to have some doubts about the church…and I am not sure where I stand. My family in Australia are angry and have said that the leaders have placed a spiritual stumbling block in my path.

Well ya, in the USA. I meet lots of English touring the USA on their motorcycles on vacation. They have been really friendly and outgoing. I do know what it’s like between nations, this is the USA and many nations from the Middle East to South America do hate us with a passion lol. I don’t understand personally why we just can’t accept differences and embrace each other and loving things with charity. But then that is a rather high ideal in the land of tribalism. I do see how the orthodox treat non orthodox Africans, Asians and South Americans here. LDS culture clash, battle of the titans. Well not really, mostu Asian LDS friends are rather quite like me lol. Bit the point is I see it here to, where the church hasn’t been long established it big, we get a person moving to this country. They ask a question that relevant to them or give a answer that’s there mixture of ldsness and culture and the orthodox come out of the woodwork and start dropping verbal bombs in Class room).

In hind sight, it’s common when a person is insecure to attack others that make them feel threatened because the differences challenge their security and comfort to what they know. It’s not unique to just England or Scotland. But it’s sad non the less. I survived in what ever culture by keeping my mouth shut and quite. Unless someone treats someone not so nice. Then I tend to be like you in that regard.

I wish I had answers for you. Because I just ignore people who feel the need to attack or insult without any real reason. I can only choose how to respond, which is usually not at all. It’s rare to talk to someone who will see your point or point of view unless they experience or study it for themselves. People rarely practice empathy pro-actively outside of their family or tribe. If what someone does is continuously hurting you or others then it might be time to take action. Politely of course.

I wish you well.

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