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Wellppp – I ran into “The New Name” last night. It’s a mouthful. And a page full. A lot of full. We have two fantastic LDS – Mormon -Church of… Stakes that serve at a shelter I am a site coordinator for. Love the people. Love the work.
Last night was our seasonal training meeting. Two women were half an hour late (it was a typo problem). I knew from their dresses who they were. No worries. I see them signing in. Grabbing their stuff. Sitting down.
Because they were late, a leader from another church, kindly tutored them on what they missed. I was way-laid by others talking to me. When I reached them, the leader friend, asked “Which church are you with?” Simultaneously the long snake of a name came rolling out. “Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.” Problem is, because it’s a long name and was being done in stereo, no one could understand them. Looks of puzzlement crossed a few faces. I jumped in and said, “Mormon.” It was just easier. The two nice skirt sisters nodded their heads, giggled a bit, then returned to conversation.
Later in the evening, I picked up the sign up sheet. Sure as shooting, they did their dang best to cram the entire phrase into the small line reserved for “church”.
It isn’t these ladies faults. They are doing their best.
I am not trying to beat a horse dead.But this change is going to be a humdinger. It doesn’t roll off the tongue. We still aren’t even clear beyond the “Mormon” part what short cut to take. In my role, I am the social media support for the shelter. Today I was asked to write a post about a Stake that served over the weekend. I truncated it to Church of Jesus Christ. I was hyperventilating the whole time trying to sum up the church. This is my people. I know their hearts. I also know how the rest of religions work. It’s a “by their fruits” deal. Not a name deal.
This whole “Riding Side Saddle with John Wayne – Rough Shod President Throw Out An Idea Thing” is going to test my soul in a million ways. Not to mention all the non-members who really don’t get what all the excitement is about.
Saw this article on Deseret News on the hurricane clean-up. They make a clear effort to avoid the word “Mormon”. They referenced Yellow T-Shirts, Yellow clad, and “Helping Hands” numerous times but even though the word “Mormon” was prominently displayed on each shirt and vest. It was never mentioned. This is a distinct contrast to the Deseret News coverage just last month of similar hurricane recovery efforts where Mormon was featured prominently.
For the short term at least it appears that we are tying ourselves up in knots. I have heard that after President Benson gave his speech “beware of pride” that some LDS families stripped the word “pride” from their vocabularies. They refused to say that they were proud of their kids – choosing instead to say somethin to the effect that they were pleased with their kids’ choices. They felt that refusing to say the word “pride” made them less prideful. This kinda feels like that. “A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.”
My SP, who claims to have gotten this on very good authority, says the Mormon Newsroom is going to remain the Mormon Newsroom for the foreseeable future. Its name change is not imminent. I noticed in conference, President Nelson shortened it to “Latter-Day Saints”. I’ve also seen “Latter-Day Saints” used much more prevelantly than the full name, or “Mormon”, on official LDS sites and publications. It still removes “Christ” from the name, and it sounds concieted, BUT it’s still much better than using the full name of the Church, in my opinion. Two steps forward, two steps back. Dosie doe, and to the left.
Quote:I noticed in conference, President Nelson shortened it to “Latter-Day Saints”. I’ve also seen “Latter-Day Saints” used much more prevelantly than the full name, or “Mormon”, on official LDS sites and publications. It still removes “Christ” from the name, and it sounds concieted, BUT it’s still much better than using the full name of the Church, in my opinion.
I’ve been using LDS for the past couple of years, when I write a blog or Facebook post.
Today I feared I would get trampled if I didn’t get the best version out. That’s half the stupid on this.
Not to mention;
Quote:the Mormon Newsroom is going to remain the Mormon Newsroom for the foreseeable future. Its name change is not imminent.
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Quote:For the short term at least it appears that we are tying ourselves up in knots. I have heard that after President Benson gave his speech “beware of pride” that some LDS families stripped the word “pride” from their vocabularies. They refused to say that they were proud of their kids – choosing instead to say somethin to the effect that they were pleased with their kids’ choices. They felt that refusing to say the word “pride” made them less prideful. This kinda feels like that. “A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.”
As a culture we get weird. We doubt our doubts totally out of context. And have no problem playing “Wack-a-Mole” for a word.
But remember – “Don’t be offended for the word”?
dande48 wrote:
I noticed in conference, President Nelson shortened it to “Latter-Day Saints”… It still removes “Christ” from the name, and it sounds concieted, BUT it’s still much better than using the full name of the Church, in my opinion.
Just to be clear, “Latter-day Saint(s)” is a ‘proper’ term for a person, equivalent to “Member(s) of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” or “Saint(s)”, any of which would be preferred (in RMN’s view) to “Mormon(s)”. RMN used the term several times in GC, as you pointed out, but this was only in reference to people. In his Sunday Morning address, he used both “Latter-day Saints” and “member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” to refer to the people. When referring to the name of the Church, he only used the long name.mom3 wrote:
Wellppp – I ran into “The New Name” last night. It’s a mouthful. And a page full. A lot of full.
When I was a Spanish-speaking missionary, I would sometimes just say “The Church of Jesus Christ”.The full name is REALLY a mouthful in Spanish:
“The Church of Jesus Christ” – 6 syllables.
“La Iglesia de Jesucristo” – 9 syllables.
“of Latter-day Saints” – 5 syllables.
“de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias” – 11 syllables.
The full name in English is 11 syllables, in Spanish
20. Timing myself at a normal cadence, I came up with the following times to say the name of the Church:
The Mormon Church – 1.0-1.1 seconds
La Iglesia Mormona – 1.4-1.5 seconds
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – 2.4-2.5 seconds
La Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Ultimos Dias – 3.5-3.6 seconds
On Own Now wrote:
When I was a Spanish-speaking missionary, I would sometimes just say “The Church of Jesus Christ”.The full name is REALLY a mouthful in Spanish:
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AfrikaansKerk van Jesus Christus van die Heiliges van die Laaste Dae
Bahasa Indonesia
Gereja Yesus Kristus dari Orang-orang Suci Zaman Akhir
català
Església de Jesucrist dels Sants dels Darrers Dies
Cymraeg
Eglwys Iesu Grist Saint y Dyddiau Diwethaf
dansk
Jesu Kristi Kirke af Sidste Dages Hellige
Deutsch
Kirche Jesu Christi der Heiligen der Letzten Tage
eesti
Viimse Aja Pühade Jeesuse Kristuse Kirik
español
La Iglesia de Jesucristo de los Santos de los Últimos Días
Esperanto
Eklezio de Jesuo Kristo de la Sanktuloj de la Lastaj Tagoj
euskara
Azken Egunetako Santuen Jesu Kristoren Eliza
français
Église de Jésus-Christ des saints des derniers jour
galego
Igrexa de Xesús Cristo dos Santos dos Últimos Días
Gàidhlig
Eaglais Ìosa Chrìost de Naoimh an Latha mu Dheireadh
hrvatski
Crkva Isusa Krista svetaca posljednjih dana
italiano
Chiesa di Gesù Cristo dei santi degli ultimi giorno
latviešu
Pēdējo dienu svēto Jēzus Kristus baznīca
lietuvių
Pastarųjų dienų šventųjų Jėzaus Kristaus bažnyčia
magyar
Az Utolsó Napok Szentjeinek Jézus Krisztus Egyháza
Malagasy
Fiangonan’i Jesoa Kristy ho an’ny Olomasin’ny Andro Farany
Nederlands
Kerk van Jezus Christus van de Heiligen der Laatste Dagen
norsk nynorsk
Jesu Kristi Kyrkje av Siste Dagars Heilage
polski
Kościół Jezusa Chrystusa Świętych w Dniach Ostatnich
português
A Igreja de Jesus Cristo dos Santos dos Últimos Dias
reo tahiti
Te Ekalesia a Iesu Mesia i te Feia Mo‘a i te hau Mahana Hopea nei
română
Biserica lui Isus Hristos a Sfinților din Zilele din Urmă
slovenčina
Cirkev Ježiša Krista Svätých neskorších dní
slovenščina
Cerkev Jezusa Kristusa svetih iz poslednjih dni
suomi
Myöhempien Aikojen Pyhien Jeesuksen Kristuksen kirkko
Tagalog
Ang Simbahan ni Jesucristo ng mga Banal sa mga Huling Araw
Tiếng Việt
Giáo hội các Thánh hữu Ngày sau của Chúa Giê Su Ky Tô
Türkçe
İsa Mesih’in Son Zaman Azizler Kilisesi
íslenska
Kirkja Jesú Krists hinna síðari daga heilögu
čeština
Církev Ježíše Krista Svatých posledních dnů
български
Църква на Исус Христос на светиите от последните дни
русский
Церковь Иисуса Христа Святых последних дней
српски / srpski
Црква Исуса Христа светаца последњих дана
українська
Церква Ісуса Христа Святих останніх днів
اردو
کلیسیائے یسوع مسیح برائے مقدسین آخری ایام
العربية
كنيسة يسوع المسيح لقديسي الأيام الأخيرة
فارسی
کلیسای عیسی مسیح قدیسان آخرالزمان
मराठी
येशू ख्रिस्ताच्या आधुनिक संतांचे चर्च
ქართული
უკანასკნელი დღეების წმინდანთა იესო ქრისტეს ეკლესია
中文
耶穌基督後期聖徒教會
日本語
末日聖徒イエス・キリスト教会
한국어
예수 그리스도 후기성도 교회
Haha… Esperanto. Yeah. On Own Now wrote:
Haha… Esperanto. Yeah.
Saluton!
The Book of Mormon is available in Esperanto (unofficially) and there is an online LDS Esperanto community.
http://poresperantamormonaro.weebly.com/la-unua-presita-libro-de-mormon.html My favorites – Vietnamese
Giáo hội các Thánh hữu Ngày sau của Chúa Giê Su Ky Tô
Afrikaans
Kerk van Jesus Christus van die Heiliges van die Laaste Dae
Estonian
Pastarųjų dienų šventųjų Jėzaus Kristaus bažnyčia
Malagasy
Fiangonan’i Jesoa Kristy ho an’ny Olomasin’ny Andro Farany
Tagalog
Ang Simbahan ni Jesucristo ng mga Banal sa mga Huling Araw
I know LDS who speak all of these languages except Malagasy.
Do you think “Church of JC” will work? mom3 wrote:
Do you think “Church of JC” will work
I think Christ would like it.
We need a revelation with a short name of the church with Christ in it, and a name for the adherents due to changes in technology in our modern day. Let’s get with it and stop trying to make a name that is too long, and conceived in the 18th century, fit. It’s a square peg in a round hole. Nelson is open minded, if anyone can create a new revelation for inclusion in the D&C it’s him… SilentDawning wrote:
We need a revelation… Nelson is open minded, if anyone can create a new revelation for inclusion in the D&C it’s him…
At one point, I would’ve said this was heresy! Only God dictates revelation, on his timetable, and his ways aren’t ours.
Now… this is how revelation works.
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