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My point for this thread is, does his last sentence (in bold) have merit. Who is to blame for the intolerance. Are church members (in general) more intolerant of the world, or is the world (in general) more intolerant of the church? And if he is correct, WHY does the world hate “us” so badly. Has our intolerance bred more intolerance, or vice-versa? I have an opinion.I guess I don’t see it so much here in Oregon, but from my experience, the closer one gets to SLC, the more hate for the church one encounters?
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They are intolerant of us.They have been since 1830. Now you were at the BYU/Oregon State game. Are those people around us intolerant of Mormons, or are Mormons intolerant of them? You cannot honestly say that you did not feel the hate, can you? …The church is already open to everyone. In that sense, it is already nondenominational. People are welcome to come…
I don’t think it isn’t happening because of the membership of the church. I think it isn’t happening because of the intolerance of the world.
This reminds me of the story that claims one of the main reasons the Mormons were driven out of Missouri was some petty argument over milk strippings. Supposedly, the Mormons were all innocent victims and mostly a target because Satan and his minions desperately wanted to stop the great work they were doing. Meanwhile, in reality there were some Mormons looting and burning down non-Mormons’ houses and they also killed a state militiaman in the Crooked River battle. Certainly many of them didn’t deserve to be treated the way they were but the real reasons for all this “persecution” are a lot more complex than the Church typically claims.
Personally, I don’t think there is any good excuse for intolerance in the case of religion because religious beliefs often come down to whose stories you believe or not. So these religious differences are basically just personal preferences or opinions and it’s not very realistic to expect everyone to agree in cases like this. However, to this day we see that Mormons are very intolerant of “apostate” Mormons. Ex-Mormons and many mainstream Christians are intolerant of Mormons. Atheists are intolerant towards Christians and vice versa.
Can’t we all just get along? I understand that almost everyone thinks they are completely right and that they have all the answers but some of this unnecessary disrespect for other people’s sincere beliefs is pure bigotry and prejudice. Even if people are wrong how much of a difference does it really make in most cases and what makes people think that disrespecting others’ beliefs is ever going to help the situation? I say don’t hate, appreciate the differences because they aren’t going away anytime soon either way.
DevilsAdvocate wrote:Can’t we all just get along? I understand that almost everyone thinks they are completely right and that they have all the answers but some of this unnecessary disrespect for other people’s sincere beliefs is pure bigotry and prejudice. Even if people are wrong how much of a difference does it really make in most cases and what makes people think that disrespecting others’ beliefs is ever going to help the situation? I say don’t hate, appreciate the differences because they aren’t going away anytime soon either way.
Nice post, DA!I can tolerate anyone’s ideas or differences of opinions.
I can’t tolerate anyone hurting me or my family.I think actions are different than ideas or beliefs. Even the church can tolerate anyone having apostate ideas…but if they act on those ideas and that damages the church or its members, then there are grounds for discipline.
We can be the same way, even with Oregon State fans
Quote:Even the church can tolerate anyone having apostate ideas…We can be the same way, even with Oregon State fans
Ha! Very funny.
Off topic – I did notice that Oregon State has BYU on their schedule for 2011 and 2012. Could be good or bad for me? After that humiliating loss in Vegas, and losing a bet on the game, I had to wear a BYU tie to church for a month. COMPOUNDED HUMILIATION! Hopefully I have learned my lesson about gambling?
or about supporting BYU football when they play teams who can recruit those who are athletes only. 😈 Old-Timer wrote:or about supporting BYU football when they play teams who can recruit those who are athletes only.
😈 Didn’t help the Beavers against BYU in the Vegas Bowl, having all those athletes. Uggg! I actually think that maybe BYU IS
god’s team— by the way the “wind” worked against OSU. OSU punts into the wind = 6 yard net. BYU punts into the wind, the ball goes 6 yards -THEN ROLLS another 35 yards for a 41 yard net. Uggg! Bad, bad memories – I got to quit talking about it. Yeah, I was thinking about all those lop-sided losses to Ohio State and others back in the day. Makes me shudder decades later. 😥
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