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Hi Observant, I wanted to thank you for welcoming me to the group and thought I might return the favor.
So here is a big retroactive welcome
While I was here, I ran across this little gem:
SilentDawning wrote:
For me, believing in the atonement has a good impact on my life. And that’s why I CHOOSE to believe it, even though I may find out salvation comes by other means in the next life. In fact, that’s my testimony, and it’s independent of any spiritual experiences or otherwise. The atonement is good to believe because it helps me do good….
I have been pondering various meaning of the word “true.” If a true principle can mean “good” principle and the goodness of the princple can be measured based upon the positive effect that belief in this principle has for its adherants, it all seems to point back to the same conclusion- that truth (or at least this understanding of it) is subjective.
I also enjoyed the discussion on the “Just World Hypothesis.” It made me think about the base assumptions that make up my assumptive world (to a greater or lesser degree)-1) The world is good, 2) Life and the World have meaning, and 3) I am a worthy person. I don’t know much about psychology, but I wonder how the two might be interelated.
Again- Welcome Observant.
I posted this on the atonement on another thread: Ever since I saw the movie the ‘Passion’, I have pondered the sacrifice Jesus made for us.
When I was about 8 and saw movies of the crucifixion I would cry and wonder why the most innocent man in the world would have to have the crap beaten out of them for something I or others did. It made no sense to me. I thought, “Why can’t I just repent and then it’s over with.”
When I went through childbirth the first time, it felt like a crucifixion on the cross. I had a difficult pregnancy as it was and I had gone to Lamaze classes and tried to prepare myself for childbirth. I had what doctors call ‘a dry birth” and it was hours of excruciating pain. I was so traumatized and in so much pain that I was passing out often after the birth. I was angry and mad at God for a while that my childbirth had been such a horrible experience for me after all I had done to prepare myself and hoping for a good experience. Then my baby had colic so bad the first year and I was up every 2 hours all night long with him. I have learned from having children the meaning of sacrifice and giving your life for someone. Even, though I know my sacrifice was minuscule compared to anything Jesus suffered, it gave me a snapshot of the atonement.
Then I had children and God blessed me with one of his most rebellious daughters. We went through hell with her. She was bi-polar and had a baby at 16 out of wedlock. She got evicted from one of the apartments she lived in for wild parties at 17. Eventually, she did learn and grew up but no one wanted to rent to her because of her bad credit and evictions without a co-signer. She begged us to co-sign and we told her we would give her one more chance. We made an agreement that we would co-sign for her but she had to obey our rules. That meant no drinking, smoking, drugs, sex, or wild parties in the apartment. That we would have a key and could come by anytime to check on her. Since we would be responsible for any damage to the apartment which she could not pay, we had the right to set the rules. That’s when it suddenly hit me about the atonement. As a parent we often atone or pay the price for our kids mistakes that they can in no way pay for. My daughter, now has two boys of her own and one is just like her and she sends me the most wonderful cards that shows she understands what hell she put us through. She knows we were willing to suffer and pay the price for her serious mistakes so that she could get through these difficult trials of life without totally messing up her life. We did this because of our great love for her. God knows that many children will be born in to homes where they are beaten and treated horribly. Why would any parent allow their child to be put in a home where they knew their child would be sexually abused, beaten, etc? It is because He knew the damage could be reversed. Through the atonement we have the resurrection and will not lay in the grave forever. But, for paying the uttermost price for our mistakes God expects us to follow His rules.
Because of my love for my children I am willing to give my life for them and go through the valley of the shadow of death. If I, as a mere mortal, am willing to suffer for my children and do almost anything to save them from getting into sin, how much greater must our Heavenly Father’s love be for us. Just like I will never give up on my gay son and pray he comes back to God someday. How much more does a perfect Heavenly parent want to save His children that He created.
I don’t fully understand how and why the atonement works, but apparently it is necessary and I thank my Heavenly Father daily for sending His Son, Jesus Christ to try and save me from my sins.
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observant wrote:Orson:
D&C 121:39 nails it! He’s a nice enough guy, seminary teacher ahem, currently on the high council but I really think he’s judged our family as heathens.
😆 I supposed that could really turn someone off but I really think that I actually enjoy having that rep…just a little.I’m right there with you on the rep, I think in my ward I’m seen as the nice-enough guy who attends all the meetings faithfully every week …but may not quite be up to leadership potential. Suits me just fine.
Man, I love this place! observant wrote:Passed his wife in the store, DC in hand. I love stuff like that. Obviously his own wife thinks he’s
🙄 Hi Observant! I’ve really enjoyed reading your contributions to the board so far. I’ve seen a couple of rather humorous instances where a husband and wife in the church aren’t on the same page. One of the best occurred while I was on my mission. We were having a combined PH/RS 5th Sunday meeting and the bishop (a hothead and a tyrant if ever there was one) was presenting a lesson on which expressions of marital intimacy were appropriate or not. I was about to ask my companion if we could go hang out in the hallway because I didn’t feel this was worth my time (being single and super-celibate and all), when the BP’s wife stood up mid-tirade, yelled “You big fat hypocrite!!” and stormed out.
😯 We all stood and gave her a standing ovation.Wow, Steve. Just, wow. 🙄 Steve-hpias wrote:observant wrote:Passed his wife in the store, DC in hand. I love stuff like that. Obviously his own wife thinks he’s
🙄 Hi Observant! I’ve really enjoyed reading your contributions to the board so far. I’ve seen a couple of rather humorous instances where a husband and wife in the church aren’t on the same page. One of the best occurred while I was on my mission. We were having a combined PH/RS 5th Sunday meeting and the bishop (a hothead and a tyrant if ever there was one) was presenting a lesson on which expressions of marital intimacy were appropriate or not. I was about to ask my companion if we could go hang out in the hallway because I didn’t feel this was worth my time (being single and super-celibate and all), when the BP’s wife stood up mid-tirade, yelled “You big fat hypocrite!!” and stormed out.
😯 We all stood and gave her a standing ovation.
]I’m suggesting this for a 5th Sunday lesson and requesting the bishop give it.
😆 😈 Maybe it really isn’t funny though. Nah, it’s funny.
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