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Bill Atkinson wrote:So it boils down to something like this: I am an adult, I am tired of MILK~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m tempted to say, “well, I got tired of milking the cow too, so I killed it & now I’m eating steak!”But, instead, I’ll say “Me too. So now I keep drinking milk but also go elsewhere & get a burger or maybe some cheesecake, where I can…”
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Bill Atkinson wrote:Ooops better get control of myself.
In my experience, Bill, I was also very tired of milk and very tired of lame sunday school classes. I really felt that I needed something more to satisfy me. That is why I have found this outlet at StayLDS forum healthy for me. I actually don’t try to control myself here. I speak my mind, and let it out, and don’t fear the lightning bolt through the roof (I think my God knows what journey I’m on). I have found that helpful for me to have an outlet and when I get my words out, I hope others challenge me or clarify for me, and I find I better understand what I truly believe…and have found I love more about the church than I disagree with.I don’t feel that would be constructive in church all the time to do that…the church is there to help the body of members as a whole, and others don’t have the same needs I do.
So I look for my meat on my own, express myself here, and let the moderators do the content control (I’ve had my messages edited on this site in the past…as was appropriate).
Quote:“I look for my meat on my own.”
Quote:“I keep drinking milk but also go elsewhere & get a burger or maybe some cheesecake, where I can…”
Once I started taking responsibility for creating my own meals, I found I started eating a whole lot more healthily. I firmly believe the Church (or ANY other organization) simply can’t provide a full feast to all its members – which is why, imo, we have scriptural verses that tell us to “search ye out of the best books . . . hidden treasures . . .” The Church tries to be the safety net and provide what is required for survival, and I think it does a very good job at that, but it can’t give the mountain climbers the equipment they need to explore or the food they need to survive the higher altitude.
I know this is a heterodox interpretation of the parable of the Ten Virgins, but I look at the five foolish, unprepared virgins as those who ONLY had the oil that would sustain them during the easy times –
before they had to wait on their own. The wise, prepared virgins had their own “extra” oil reserve, which I interpret to mean that they took the initiative to add to what they could get as a group with the others. Please don’t misunderstand.
I am NOT saying that those for whom the milk is enough should be seen as foolish virgins.I’m sure there were more than just ten virgins invited to the feast, and those who had enough had enough. What I’m saying is that some people need more “oil” than others in order to sustain themselves (especially those who regularly journey outside the box) – and that “extra” oil won’t be provided by the Church. It has to be gathered and stored by the individuals. Heber thanks for that insight and I see the sense of it, I must admit that blowing off steam about the manuals actually feels pretty good, I am happier this afternoon than I was this morning, just being able to say it helps and then I can agree with Ray that the lessons have to aimed somewhere in the middle and if you want and need more knowledge well go fill up with oil and start climbing a mountain. Thanks all. Doesn’t the meat come in our own personal journey’s anyway? And isn’t that what the temple is for? It seems most of my cherished experiences are when its just me and my scriptures. Sometimes I have been lucky enough to have a great gospel doctrine teacher. Other times it isn’t the teacher necessarily, but it is what the Spirit is teaching me about what the teacher is saying. Sometimes I think that we do need constant refresh on the basics as this world and its modern philosophies seems to water things or confuse them. And I think we as humans easily slip as we all need constant lessons about character refinement.
I don’t know. One thing I love about being LDS is that there are no boundaries on spiritual growth. And I love that we are to find truth wherever it may be found. Tell me another church that believes that?
Poppyseed wrote:Tell me another church that believes that?
Church. I love that word.
Christianity. Boundaries. Orthodoxy. Historical faith.
Are the Quakers a church? Maybe the Community of Christ? Interesting question.
We have a wonderful church. And it is ours. And there are many others wonderful in their own ways.
Tom Haws wrote:Poppyseed wrote:Tell me another church that believes that?
Church. I love that word.
Christianity. Boundaries. Orthodoxy. Historical faith.
Are the Quakers a church? Maybe the Community of Christ? Interesting question.
We have a wonderful church. And it is ours. And there are many others wonderful in their own ways.
Hmmmm…Tom, are you saying that I am being a closed minded git?
I don’t know. One thing I love about being LDS is that there are no boundaries on spiritual growth. And I love that we are to find truth wherever it may be found. Tell me another church that believes that?
No offense Poppyseed, but I attend about five different “churches” and they
allteach that (UU, Unity, Church of Religious Science, SL Center for Spiritual Living, the Zen Center….). Just sayin….
Well, I stand properly broadened then. But I will say that even in your description, you seem to be using the word “churches” broadly. When I made the comment I wasn’t referring to every single religious perspective …. only thinking about a few well known world religions. I didn’t make the comment to infer that LDS church is the only one with a light on. Many times I have talked about how much good there is in the world among all the points of view and even much for us to gained by opening our minds. Please know that about me and the spirit behind my comment. I just meant to say I was jazzed about this idea, that’s all. But I can see how my comment was rather git-ish and I apologize for sounding that way.
Poppyseed wrote:Well, I stand properly broadened then.
But I can see how my comment was rather git-ish and I apologize for sounding that way.
Apology accepted
😆 (as if you needed that!) I (think) I knew what you meant…and I suspect I’ve probably had more exposure to other spiritual paths than most, so I had an unfair advantage. But like we’ve been talking about, I really do see most other churches evolving to an attitude of equality with others — not competetive. Like many of us here who call Mormonism our tribe, they call theirs the same and simply see it as a path they are familiar with and what works for them.Quote:But like we’ve been talking about, I really do see most other churches evolving to an attitude of equality with others — not competetive.
Perhaps I need to see this play out in the real world more often. I really would like this to be more true. Doesn’t seem so when you see the US political elections or see some dynamics that happen in ordinary neighborhoods.
I am also impressed by your religious experience. I am looking forward to gleening some good stuff from you.
Poppyseed wrote:Quote:But like we’ve been talking about, I really do see most other churches evolving to an attitude of equality with others — not competetive.
Perhaps I need to see this play out in the real world more often. I really would like this to be more true. Doesn’t seem so when you see the US political elections or see some dynamics that happen in ordinary neighborhoods.
Yeah, I’ve concluded (stereotyping, I know…) that those that often are interested in politics are the ones that need to be competetive and/or control others. It is unfortunate since they do end up with authority to make laws that are sometimes not in the best interest of the majority.
But I agree, particularly the EV’s tend to be separatist (we’re right, you’re wrong), and they make their views known. Those that are more accepting of differing beliefs don’t need to be heard…so they aren’t so much. Maybe it’s because I want to see this, but right here in Salt Lake City I am seeing much more respect of others than ever before.
(Now the “bubble” of Utah County…that’s another story!
😆 😮 🙄 )You know it is an interesting mix of “we are right” and “others are too” when we say we are the only true church, yet all should find truth wherever it is to be found. I guess I love the idea of “bring your truth with you.” And I love that this expands our truth resources to science and other realms. I think this must mean that coming to truth is perhaps more important than “where” you find it….and perhaps that the Lord knows the limitations of earthly church organization and perhaps evidence that the Lord is working in lots of different parts of the vineyard as he is inviting the world to follow Him.
I wish church members understood this whole thing better. Wish it came out in behaviors and attitudes more. Nothing worse than superimposing the WofW on people who dont’ even know what it is, let alone not having made the covenant to keep it. Then again, I hate getting pigeoned holed by other groups or former members just because I may appear traditional in my personal religious practice. It kinda makes me feel rather underestimated.
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