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I likewise wouldn’t call it manipulative because that implies that someone is consiously doing the manipulating. I really don’t believe in any puppetmaster pulling the strings. It is a system with imposed incentives to perpetuate the system. People at all levels of the system are influenced by the system.
So I agree in theory… compelled obedience 100%!
I do think they try to control behavior in a much more forceful way than other religions. 1. Don’t pay tithing — no celestial kingdom.
2. Don’t attend your ward — revoke your temple recommend and deny you full fellowship in terms of callings, home teachers etcetera
3. Ask to be released from a calling, you end up on the “do not talk to list” implicitly — at least, leaders tend to stop having an interest in your anymore. (SP threatened to revoke TR’s of a couple in our Ward show jumped wards).
4. Lots of guilt trips in priesthood meetings about tired, worn out programs.
5. Only church members are the “elect of God”.
6. Decide to not get married in the temple out of respect for non-member family (with a temple ceremony later) — one year waiting penalty.
7. Bishops endowed with the power of judge and executioner (albeit, with counselor support).
8. The 14 fudamentals has threats of what will happen to you if you don’t listen to prophets.
This one is a no brainier. It’s well researched and studied with various fundamentalist authoritarian religions and governments. Is manipulation, without a doubt, tons of it. It didn’t dawn on me growing up. But when I stated volunteering in humanity type orgs and sociology I noticed a huge gap in the way things where run. The difference was night and day even as a TBM. I stated spending less time at church and note time at much more healthy and positive orgs and leaders.
It’s what I want most for the LDS community. To experience that more healthy and positive and less obedient, shaming, group think, rote memory, rote pronouncements. With more supportive leaders supporting individual personal growth, not trying to hammer it.
Rather then complaining though, I try to bring the positive and well researched ideas into the LDS community.
It’s hard though, people are so used to the way of life they can’t see what is wrong with it.
It’s actually ok to subject children to fear based teachings. People look at it as positive rather then destructive.
It’s not ok to use fear, it’s not of to use shaming, it’s not ok to force or group pressure someone into something. It’s not ok to force something into or convince something to someone who isn’t ready. It’s not ok to try to condition people.
It’s not ok to treat people how you think thru should be treated. Treat them the way they want to be treated.
It’s not ok to probe deeply into someone’s life without there permission. It’s not ok use coercion for compliance.
It’s not ok change people into who we want them to be.
There is so much that is accepted that is not acceptable at even work, let alone a volunteer org.
I have seen much better and more healthy volunteer humanity orgs. So it’s important, because it’s obtainable. Others have done it and we can do so much better then low-middle tier positivity and health then we have now.
The people deserve better. We can do better.
One of the 1st things you learn about manipulation in psychology is that weather a person is conscious of it or not it’s still just as not ok for it to happen. It doesn’t change or make less the impact of what it is doing.
In some ways it’s worse because the person does it will continue to do it unless pulled up on it and made aware.
Help those become aware of what they are doing to others so it doesn’t propagate and spread through ignorance.
Help others experiencing it to speak up and politely make aware to those doing it what they are doing and how the other person feels. Not everyone has the capacity to stand up for themselves.
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