May I have your, Myers-Briggs/Jung type, please?

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hawkgrrrl wrote:

I also posted on this topic at NOM a while back, and not surprisingly found that most on NOM were NT or NF with a few SJs. Not many SPs are frequenting these places, probably because they are out having too much fun to care. This is a very interesting trend when you know that in the US, the majority of people are SJs (~50-55%), followed by SPs (~30-35%), then NFs (~8-10%), then lastly NTs (~3-5%). Yet by far, the two smallest groups are the most represented in the disaffected. Not that surprising, I suppose (they are disaffected because they are a minority), but certainly very interesting.

I suspect as hawkgrrrl discussed above that the majority of us here on staylds are from the minority groups of idealists or rationals. I found this interesting little bit from an article that theorizes how we are all just more evolved than the rest!

“It is my personal belief that the lower percentages, Rationals and Idealists are on the evolutionary edge. For one thing, it is intuitively obvious the ability to deal with the world in abstract terms is the wave of the future. We’ve been moving in that direction since we were cavemen.

I can make a helpful analogy here with recent findings regarding blood types.40-45% have type O; 35-40% have type A; 4-11% have type B and a very small 0-2% have type AB. [blood types] Under analysis these figures have revealed migration patterns and interactions of ancient hu/man with his/her environment. It is now scientifically clear (as if it weren’t always intuitively clear) that O existed first, then A, then B and now AB is emerging, reflecting some kind of physical (blood type) evolution or Darwinism. Temperament theory statistics may reveal a nonphysical Darwinian evolution of the “more fit” in these statistics: Guardians and Artisans make up 38% of the population each while Rationals and Idealists make up 12% each.

We creatures on the Darwinian edge– Rationals and Idealists — have both an advantage and a disadvantage. In a certain sense we are adapted to the ways of the future, which is evolving, but on the other hand, the future is not yet here. And therein lies the rub.”

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I just took the quick one at humanetrics and scored INFJ very high on the I. Which is why actually attending church is such a problem for me. I struggle with group settings and would just rather worship on my own and go at my own pace without having to follow someone else’s agenda. Sometimes just the thought of having to chat with someone in the hall sends me quickly out the door after Sacrament Meeting. Some days I don’t mind it.

This is interesting stuff.

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canadiangirl wrote:

I just took the quick one at humanetrics and scored INFJ very high on the I. Which is why actually attending church is such a problem for me. I struggle with group settings and would just rather worship on my own and go at my own pace without having to follow someone else’s agenda. Sometimes just the thought of having to chat with someone in the hall sends me quickly out the door after Sacrament Meeting. Some days I don’t mind it.

I can relate to that comment, except that I can’t remember the last time I didn’t mind. I surprise myself with some of the detours (literal ones) I will take to avoid contact.

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I was tested as an ESTJ, but I don’t even remember what the heak it means. This was way back in 1999 when I was going to the community college and trying to find out what to do with my life. Now, 11 years later, I decided to take the test again from two different sites. I ended up with a new personality type and I probably fit it better since lets think-I became a father since then, and I actually have a real job now so I bet my personality type did change. I am now an ESFJ.

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I’m eNFp (though I see that Heber13 listed me as Tom Haws / ENTP / INFP ???. P is my strongest variable. I may want to test again.) and, yes, I have a hard time getting out the door after church, even if I’m just wandering the halls aimlessly. eNFp also fits with my “It’s the morality, buddy” approach to religion. All my lamentations are about “fruit” or morality.

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Okay Doug, I ran the whole gammit with the fam tonight. I didn’t tell any of them what I was doing, what my scores were, let them hear the answers of the person who went before them, and I tried to be completely unbiased when reading the questions. (Hey, could I count this as FHE on my merit chart?)

cwald (40 year old stage 4 male)

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INFP = Idealist Healer

jwald (39 year old stage 5 female) —- INTJ/INTP = Rational Mastermind/Architect (interesting, my stage five wife was quite balanced and really could have fit nicely into many of the categories, unlike myself and the rest of my kids. Does that say something about the physiology of stayLDS?)

Raven (15 year old teenager female)

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ENFP = Idealist Champion

Wyatt (13 year old teenager male)

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INFJ/INFP = Idealist Counselor/Healer

Levi Savage (10 year old preteen male)

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INTP = Rational Architect

Wow. Maybe my kids ARE watching and listening to me more than I thought they were? the whole fam is in the Rational/Idealist camp 😮 . In 20 years they will either be thanking me from the bottom of their hearts, or they will be cursing me to no end.

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Fwiw, I’ve scored in the middle somewhere – oddly balanced, as one person said – on every personality test I’ve ever taken.

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cwald wrote:

Wow. Maybe my kids ARE watching and listening to me more than I thought they were? the whole fam is in the Rational/Idealist camp 😮 . In 20 years they will either be thanking me from the bottom of their hearts, or they will be cursing me to no end.

That’s really interesting. Amongst my family (me, wife, three kids) are nothing but idealists and rationals. No wonder I like being at home best. Given the supposed rarity of these personality types, I am a bit surprised.

I’m not sure if you were serious, but you seem to imply that your kids’ personality types might be the result of their upbringing. Do you think this is really the case? My own parents were artisan/guardian (I think) and I have a difficult time understanding them. I guess I assumed that in the nature vs. nurture argument, as it applies to personality, that nature wins out. Obviously I’m no expert.

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Well, I am of the belief that the personality types are absolutely ingrained into our DNA. I honestly believe I was “born this way” but I also wouldn’t argue that my experience certainly helps shape what the DNA is coded for. So, either way, whether I gave my kids their idealism/rationalism through the DNA, or from our long talks and occasional rants around the fire most nights — they can still come back and blame me for it.

I think a question to ask, can our participation within the church be significant enough to change one’s personality type? I don’t know — I try to analyze it, and even when I was a stage 3 mormon, I still had many of my current personality “issues” with the church, dealing with idealism and rationalism — I was just able to mask them better, and, turn “off the switches,” and live in the camps with all the guardians and artisans.

That is also the fundamental purpose of this site and JD’s vision of StayLDS. How do folks who are genetically predisposed to idealism/rationalism — survive within an organization that is predominately ran by guardians, which will generally “cater” to those who think and act like themselves, and will also, unwittingly, attempt to change all those around them to become guardians as well?

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I am an Idealist (healer) My husband is an Artisan. From everything I have read these 2 personality types are the least compatible! I love him to death, but this really explains a lot!

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flowerdrops wrote:

I am an Idealist (healer) My husband is an Artisan. From everything I have read these 2 personality types are the least compatible!

You’ve probably already seen this, but here are Kiersey’s suggestions for idealists married to artisans:

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How do folks who are genetically predisposed to idealism/rationalism — survive within an organization that is predominately ran by guardians, which will generally “cater” to those who think and act like themselves, and will also, unwittingly, attempt to change all those around them to become guardians as well?

We do it every single day for our whole lives. Rational types are only 3-5% of the population. Idealist types are 7-10%. Guardians are 55%.

– Most organizations are led by Guardian types because Guardians build the structure & traditions that are sustainable, that become ongoing organizations; their love for hierarchy, order and belonging means they are often rewarded by those who want to build a cohesive organization.

– Idealists create non-profit orgs for their causes. They organize in short meaningful bursts of creativity for rallies and marches and so forth. Within other organizations, they tend to run HR and training. NFs are going to be rewarded by the organization by people who see their gift with people and to bring meaning and human connection to activities. They will be punished by those who think they are too “soft on crime” or who distrust their “causes.”

– Rational types make their way in organizations by being masterminds, by studying and forming theories about the organization, and by “making sense” of things for themselves and others. They will be rewarded by those who value their “sense-making” and unique perspective on the organization; often their talks are very clearly laid out and illuminating in a fresh way. They will be punished by those who misunderstand their theories or find them intimidating (labelling them “intellectuals” usually).

There are definitely members of the Q15 who are NTs and NFs. I’m sure there are even more SJs, too. My guess is that there are no SPs (or 1 at most), even though SPs are 35% of the general population. SPs are more prone to becoming Jack Mormons, IMHO. Just a reminder – I’m an ENTJ.

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cwald wrote:

…I think this kind of thing explains A LOT of why one does and thinks and feels a certain way about church issues. I would hope some of the others on this site would bite on this one. I know there is an old list of folks – but most of them no longer visit the site – except for Brian, Heber and Tom. I would be interested in where some of the regulars fit in (MH, SD, Ray, Flower, Canada, The DA, Spock, Sam, Rix, HiJ, Eph, GB, George etc etc, I know I’m forgetting somebody – those I don’t know well yet and those who are new.)

Take the test boys. I mean, I would be VERY interested to see if The DA and Spock are anything BUT INTP? Very interested — and I think that if one uses this kind of information to help prepare and approach other LDS members who are in leadership positions and perhaps “less active”, it could be very valuable to the whole STAY LDS concept — similar to Fowlers stages of Faith.

I tried two of these tests and both of them said my personality type was INTJ (Mastermind) but it looks like it was almost a tie with ISTJ (Inspector), INTP (Architect), and ISTP (Artisan) according to these scores:

Introverted (I) 77.42% Extroverted (E) 22.58%

Sensing (S) 50% Intuitive (N) 50%

Thinking (T) 70% Feeling (F) 30%

Judging (J) 56.25% Perceiving (P) 43.75%

A lot of the questions seemed like a coin toss where I could honestly answer either way depending on my mood and the specific situation. Overall I think I am generally a lot more laid-back than I probably sound on these boards. Many times I just don’t care that much either way about things that others think are important (phlegmatic temperament?).

I am definitely more of an introvert than I would like to be if there was any way to change this and certainly I am more likely to think about things in a detached way rather than put too much stock in anyone’s feelings including my own and both of these traits have not really helped me fit in very well with the way the Church is organized at this point because it seems to be mostly geared around people that are more social and emotional than I am.

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DevilsAdvocate wrote:

I am definitely more of an introvert than I would like to be if there was any way to change this

Going on a mission was the single biggest event in my life that helped me with introversion. I was extremely introverted up to that point in my life. It didn’t change me to an extrovert, but it taught how to fake being one really really well when it is useful. I enjoy teaching classes, and have little trouble speaking in front of people now.

I just wanted to point that out, that my participation in church has helped round me out as a person in a lot of ways. It’s doubtful I would have had those type of challenges presented to me elsewhere.

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INTP

I always thought personality tests were just cheese–until I read the INTP profile somewhere. This was maybe a year ago. It described me so exactly that I couldn’t believe it. Been fascinated by it ever since. It gave me a measure of peace about being who I am. And it helped explain other people so well–especially certain J’s in my family by whom I was constantly baffled.

I know some people just shrug at it, but for me it changed everything.

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