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Bump for Shoshin. hawkgrrrl wrote:Here are just a few broad impressions on how disaffection might manifest for people of different types:
-SJs care deeply about tradition and belonging. Change can be a problem – if too much change is introduced too quickly. Also, authority is important to them, so issues with disappointment in the hierarchy can be devastating.
-SPs are artistic, adventurous hedonistic types. When they leave, it is often to sow their wild oats. Honestly, there aren’t many religions that appeal to them. They don’t like restrictions and they seek pleasure.
-NFs seek meaning and want to make a difference in the world for people. When the church’s aims conflict with their causes, they will pursue their causes before the church. Additionally, they may object to the corporate, impersonal (administrative) aspect of church.
-NTs lean atheist or agnostic anyway, and prefer the rational world. They aren’t very interested in authority or causes. They crave mastery and to understand the universe. Many become scientists. They love ideas and intellectual discussion. I’m certain some of the Q12 are NTs, but the church (especially the SJs) are often skeptical of intellectualism. NTs are skeptical of authority and even anti-authoritarian. They operate based on principles, not based on values (like NFs) or loyalty (SJs) or pleasure (like SPs).
Anyway, just a few more thoughts on the flavors of disaffection. Of course, there are 16 types (not just the 4 Kiersey temperaments), and no two people are exactly alike. To me, though, this does explain a lot. I’ve seen MBTI results for NOM and bloggernacle, and they confirm what I would expect.
Bump for Shoshin.
hawkgrrrl wrote:Quote:do you have any more references or resources that further analyze types in the LDS faith?
Well, not exactly. I did post on this topic twice at Mormon Matters:
http://mormonmatters.org/2008/03/31/what-is-jesus-mbti/http://mormonmatters.org/2008/03/31/what-is-jesus-mbti/” class=”bbcode_url”> http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/23/bloggernacle-personality-survey/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://mormonmatters.org/2009/05/23/bloggernacle-personality-survey/ I also posted on this topic at NOM a while back, and not surprisingly found that most on NOM were NT or NF with a few SJs. Not many SPs are frequenting these places, probably because they are out having too much fun to care. This is a very interesting trend when you know that in the US, the majority of people are SJs (~50-55%), followed by SPs (~30-35%), then NFs (~8-10%), then lastly NTs (~3-5%). Yet by far, the two smallest groups are the most represented in the disaffected. Not that surprising, I suppose (they are disaffected because they are a minority), but certainly very interesting.
hawkgrrrl wrote:My general observation would be that NOM types tend to be overwhelmingly NTs and NFs, which is very different from the majority of the population. Here’s a breakdown by Kiersey Temperament (4 groups rather than 16 types):
SJ – 50-55% of population
SP – 35 – 40% of population
NF – 8-10% of population
NT – 3-5% of population
Given that breakout, it is telling that so many NTs and NFs (the least common temperaments) seem to congregate on these online forums. Is that because they feel a bit disenfranchised at church?
All organizations tend to be run by SJ types (because of their natural administrative abilities; also SJs are the preservers of tradition, creators and enforcers of rules and norms, and the ones who tend to be loyal the organization over time). Churches are no different, and our church in particular has many SJ types in leadership roles. SJs also value authority (follow the prophet), even their own authority. They tend to be hierarchical.
SPs are kind of flaky and don’t like to stick around in organizations. They prefer their own pursuits. SJs tend to be critical of SPs (this argument in the church might sound like: they left the church to go sin, or they just couldn’t follow through on their beliefs). When that argument applies to SPs, it’s truest. SPs might leave to go have fun. It is not typically the correct assessment for an NF or NT.
An NF might be disenfranchised if they feel the church doesn’t align well with their causes or values, or if they feel the church is cold toward people or too corporate. They might try to find a place with values or causes they feel more closely align with their own. I would think they’d be most likely to defect to another church if they can’t resolve their feelings.
An NT might be disenfranchised if they are viewed as too intellectual (and frankly they may tend to be more intellectual which can erode belief in what is essentially unprovable). Also NTs have no use for authority without competence, so if the organization (or enough members) are lovers of hierarchy and respecters of hierarchy, protecting the incompetent, NTs might get turned off. NTs are probably most likely to defect to atheism or agnosticism rather than another religion. But there are also actually quite a few NTs in the Q12 (again, I’m sort of guessing). ENTJs tend to become high level execs and leaders.
I am an INFP And once more, the theory that most people on these forums are NT and NF is confirmed! ISTJ The exception that proves the rule! (Just a little confirmation bias humor for you there). hawkgrrrl wrote:The exception that proves the rule! (Just a little confirmation bias humor for you there).
As I read through the posts here and the part that talked about BKP, I was a bit surprised at first, but then again, he’s actually one of my favorites – when he isn’t talking about sex.
I recently did this as part of an activity for work and came out as an INTJ or “mastermind,” one of the rarer personality types. As I read the descriptions, I find them to be mostly accurate. My introversion/extroversion score came out at 100% introverted, which was a little surprising. I mean, I already knew I was introverted, but I didn’t expect such a high score. Some interesting
quotes from Kiersey.comQuote:Masterminds do not feel bound by established rules and procedures, and traditional authority does not impress them, nor do slogans or catchwords. Only ideas that make sense to them are adopted; those that don’t, aren’t, no matter who thought of them.
Quote:Before they decide anything, they must do the research. Masterminds are highly theoretical, but they insist on looking at all available data before they embrace an idea, and they are suspicious of any statement that is based on shoddy research, or that is not checked against reality.
Daeruin wrote:I recently did this as part of an activity for work and came out as an INTJ or “mastermind,” one of the rarer personality types. As I read the descriptions, I find them to be mostly accurate. My introversion/extroversion score came out at 100% introverted, which was a little surprising. I mean, I already knew I was introverted, but I didn’t expect such a high score.
Some interesting
quotes from Kiersey.comQuote:Masterminds do not feel bound by established rules and procedures, and traditional authority does not impress them, nor do slogans or catchwords. Only ideas that make sense to them are adopted; those that don’t, aren’t, no matter who thought of them.
Quote:Before they decide anything, they must do the research. Masterminds are highly theoretical, but they insist on looking at all available data before they embrace an idea, and they are suspicious of any statement that is based on shoddy research, or that is not checked against reality.
I can relate to that at times though I never took test personally, interviewed by psychologist predominate history is a INFJ followed by INFP. I wonder how those moments I have those thoughts interact with my established history though?
Anyways it is interesting to look at so many NT and NF. Rare to meet in person before the internet.
Here is the link to the % of personality types
http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/how-frequent-is-my-type.asp ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/my-mbti-results/how-frequent-is-my-type.asp (Heber linked to this thread from another MBTI one….) I did the Humanetrics test. INFJ
But in all categories, preferences were slight or marginal.
When preferences are slight or marginal, bear in mind that the pressure of one’s native culture leans in a specific way, and where you go against that type, you probably do stand out a little more. For the US, the most pressure is to be ESTJ, so wherever your letters differ, you are going against the messages you hear from childhood. One slight exception is that girls are often encouraged to be more F than T. Also, different countries have different predominant types. For example, India is ISFP (if I am remembering correctly). INFJ Introvert – I only scored a 66% this time. With the benefit of some hindsight I can tell that in the past I considered being an extrovert to be the godlike quality; for me introversion was considered a sin of omission. I’m glad I dropped that mindset. I made myself miserable trying to make that adjustment. I can own being an introvert now, even if that still makes me highly uncomfortable fitting into church culture.
I got a score in the low teens for the rest of them.
Feeling – This is one where I want to will myself to be a T but if I’m honest about what I do rather than what I’d like to do I tend to come out slightly favoring F when taking the test.
Pulling up a rather old post… INFJ here (the advocate) – though I have tested as ISFJ (the defender). I can see INTJ (the logician) as well at times.
I used to be on the line between extrovert/introvert, but as life gets crazier I become more introverted in my testing.
Introverted – 70%
Intuitive – 53%
Feeling – 60%
Judging – 82%
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