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I would like to nominate Joni’s comment for some kind of award. I will be laughing for a long, long time. 😆 I second Ray’s nomination. All in favor raise your right hand. :thumbup: All opposed – 0.The voting has been unanimous – Joni gets “Best Modesty Response Ever.”
:clap: Awww. If I can’t do any of that, why even go out in public? Just kidding. If you read my earlier post you will gather that I agree with your post 100%. And let me comment just a bit in defense of keeping my man card. I know I for one NEVER adjust anything just to bring attention to it. Never. I am even embarrassed to do it where my wife can see in our own home. I am always covering up with a book or something. There are many times where things get twisted after sitting down and it is VERY irritating if left uncorrected. Not being a woman I don’t know a good analogy. I don’t know if it is similar to your bra strap falling down your shoulder. Maybe a better analogy would be your undies crawling up your backside.
😳 I had better stop before I get into trouble here. I will say this – I see TONS of guys that I do think, “Come on – have some manners!” when they make adjustments for everyone to see.And to bring some killjoy to this thread, the church handbook of instructions no longer says that we need to raise the “right” hand. It is just “raised hand.”
Joni wrote:If that doesn’t scream “Hey, look at my crotch!” then I don’t know what does.
Would this be the time to point out that a tie is an official part of the uniform of the priesthood?
:angel: Can we ditch ties on the grounds of modesty? How about safety? The over anxious nibbler in me is always concerned with getting strangled while wearing a tie. No, I’ll probably get more traction with an appeal to modesty.
nibbler wrote:Joni wrote:Would this be the time to point out that a tie is an official part of the uniform of the priesthood?
:angel: Can we ditch ties on the grounds of modesty? How about safety? The over anxious nibbler in me is always concerned with getting strangled while wearing a tie.
umm. I hate to point out that as you are expressing concerns about wearing a tie, your avatar has a cape on. Capes are much more prone to accidents.Good grief. Our oversexed society seems to turn everything possible into hyper-sex. Movies, and other media are flashing pictures of cleavage, buts, bare-chested jocks and anything else they think they can get away with. But for normal, non sexual nudity our culture has a noticeable reaction. I’m a member of a local gym, and am amazed at how many men make sure their genitals are covered up all the time. They change from a wet swim suit to their underwear under a towel wrap. That’s particularly true of the under 35 year old guys. Some men even swim with a T-shirt! I live in the deep south and am amazed at the number of joggers who insist on jogging with shirts when it’s 100 degrees with 90% humidity. Thirty or forty years ago men jogged with just a set of trunks, and women with an added covering for their top that allowed soe airing of their tummies.
Yet 50-100 years ago swim suits, particularly for the men were rare if non existent luxury. Women, not so much. The guys went go swimming au-natural and think nothing of it. And I believe that they had less problems with sexual crimes than today.
At other times and places nudity and near nudity are not considered sexual. Classic paintings and sculpture with nude subjects, both men and women celebrate the beauty of the human form, not its prurient interpretation. Contemporary cultures in Europe, Central America, Africa and Asia aren’t obsessively clothed. How did we become such prudish sex fiends?
IMO I believe our obsession with modesty is counter productive to a healthy, safe attitude about nudity. (And no, I’ve never been to a nudist colony) I’m just glad I’m not a youth growing up in today’s society that makes the human body a sex object.
I do think we have an issue in the church of nudity = sexuality. I have heard of a Young Adult group in Europe that went skinny dipping and thought nothing of it – except the one American that was there. And the whole group was back in church on Sunday like nothing happened, because to them nothing had (except the American). I am also told there are other cultures where even to this day, men and women go into public baths in the nude. And there are recommend holding church members participating.
I apologize for not having references to back this up, but as I have gotten a bit older I do feel like these need to be treated a bit separate. We seem to be fighting over the covering of the shoulders of 6 year old girls at church. I think that is messing us up more than helping us be followers of Christ.
LookingHard wrote:I do think we have an issue in the church of nudity = sexuality.
I have heard of a Young Adult group in Europe that went skinny dipping and thought nothing of it – except the one American that was there. And the whole group was back in church on Sunday like nothing happened, because to them nothing had (except the American). I am also told there are other cultures where even to this day, men and women go into public baths in the nude. And there are recommend holding church members participating.
I apologize for not having references to back this up, but as I have gotten a bit older I do feel like these need to be treated a bit separate. We seem to be fighting over the covering of the shoulders of 6 year old girls at church. I think that is messing us up more than helping us be followers of Christ.
Just a quick reminder that we’re still here and we agree.
http://www.ldssdf.org/v2/ Two years ago I ended up on a beach in Barcelona Spain. Because I hadn’t planned for any beach experiences I just rolled up my pants and wore a sleeveless shirt. I really just wanted to get a picture of me standing in the Mediterranean. When I got there I was stunned. I had forgotten about European beach wear. Women and men of all ages were in all stages of less dress. If we compared a side by side photo of an American beach with the Barcelona beach – the standard American beach attendee would look over dressed. And me – I felt like a nun.
Now when we headed to the Cathedral I was fine, I didn’t need to purchase any shawls or coverings like some of the guests.
Quote:I believe our obsession with modesty is counter productive to a healthy, safe attitude about nudity.
:thumbup: Barcelona Spain is one of my favorite places to visit. I didn’t see the beaches. Maybe I should go back.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:I believe our obsession with modesty is counter productive to a healthy, safe attitude about nudity.
:thumbup: Let the church say AMEN!
It might be Barcelona, not in Spain in the near future if they win their independence referendum… :wave: Some friends used to go to a Presbyterian church (happy clappy variety, not very calvinist), but basically they had to stop going, because they found the young jiggling females in front of them very distracting!
GBSmith wrote:Just a quick reminder that we’re still here and we agree.
http://www.ldssdf.org/v2/ What? Now another site I might need to join?
Jk, I have very liberal views on nudity, i would be ok with going to a nudist colony, but theres no need especially if my DW didnt go with me.
As our children grew up we allowed them to define for themselves. I didn’t want to stifle their openness but also didn’t want them urinating in the neighbors front yard.
It has been interesting to see the development of their own view of their modesty from childhood to adulthood. I hope that they have an ownership of their views.
LDS_Scoutmaster wrote:GBSmith wrote:Just a quick reminder that we’re still here and we agree.
http://www.ldssdf.org/v2/ What? Now another site I might need to join?
Jk, I have very liberal views on nudity, i would be ok with going to a nudist colony, but theres no need especially if my DW didnt go with me…
A small point but colonies are for lepers. It’s nudist club or resort. If you compare someone nude in a chaste social setting and someone in a dental floss thong there’s no question about which one is modest and which one isn’t. And don’t even think about going without your DW. There’s no forgiveness for that here or in the world to come.
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