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The site doesn’t focus exclusively on LG though. They have a bisexual story mixed in. They don’t want to conflate non-cisgender with non-straight, but they conflate different non-straight orientations into the same “SSA” term. ydeve wrote:The site doesn’t focus exclusively on LG though. They have a bisexual story mixed in. They don’t want to conflate non-cisgender with non-straight, but they conflate different non-straight orientations into the same “SSA” term.
I think what they’re trying to avoid at this point is the “T.” Christofferson admitted as much in earlier comments – they just don’t know enough about transgender to be able to fairly address it.
The site isn’t perfect, and like the essays it does not address every concern of every individual in detail – but like the essays I don’t think it’s meant to. I will give credit where credit is due, and this is
anothersmall step in the right direction. Ann wrote:There are positive steps here, but I know exactly what I would do if I were a gay Mormon. I’d scan the site quickly looking for the part where they say I should remain celibate my whole life, without physicality in my romantic relationships. I don’t know what to call the emotion when I hit that part. I can only imagine.
And the fact that this probably means it is hard to have much of any deep relationships.Mormon Matters already released a podcast on this that was quite good for being only 5 hours after the web site was released.
I was touched by this one comment https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/10/25/mormon_and_gay/#comment-378439 ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/10/25/mormon_and_gay/#comment-378439 Quote:As the mom of a lesbian daughter, I served as a panel member for the church’s retooling of this website. That in itself spoke volumes to me: the leaders care.
They know they aren’t doing it right. They aren’t saying anything right. People are leaving the church or dying as a direct result of the FP/Q12’s imperfect, fumbling, years-behind-accepted-scientific-knowledge efforts (or lack thereof). They know.
It was incredibly cathartic to spill my mama guts to the staff who conducted the research exercises, particularly so quickly (about 6 months) after the POX was released. To cry and rage at them, to engage them in my pain. That they wanted to know.
This was a good first step.
It made me realize there are some PR people doing the best they can – and I am sure they are frustrated at times.
It made me feel for this mother and the pain that she has and is going through – multiplied tens of thousands of times over within the church.
So much pain.
😥 I like how one of the stories goes into the issues of the chastity lessons for women who have been molested or raped. I was glad to see that in the stories since that is another issue in the church. They seemed more raw than mormon stories usually are. They weren’t super raw, obviously, but they weren’t ‘flowery’ either, if that makes sense. It wasn’t just a ‘I had a hard time but all I had to do was talk to my bishop and pray and things were better’ kind of thing, it actually went into how they truly didn’t have a choice in their feelings and they tried to be attracted to the other gender but it just wasn’t possible. And how some of them were suicidal. I hope it helps more lds people understand the gay community a bit better, and also understand that some people truly want to be mormon but are also gay. I know a year ago when the policy came out, I was mentioning to my uncle how parents who are married and in the church may want their kids to stay in the church and he said ‘why would gay people want to be in the church if we preach against them? That doesn’t make sense.’ I’m excited to hear what he thinks of these stories, so he can better understand how you can have faith in the gospel even if you are attracted to your own gender and the church preaches against it. Got an email from our SP which he sent to all leaders in the stake, including all members of ward councils and the stake council. He said he has watched all the videos on the revamped site and was particularly moved by some of the story videos. He asked that we all view the content on the site and that ward councils discuss how they can better try to understand and include those with SSA (his term). He said the stake council would be discussing it as well and there will likely be some sort of training coming in the future. Some of you know I have a serious man crush on my SP. Things like this are why. :thumbup: It appears that the “Mormon and Gay” website is no more. I assume that all the resources are still be in place (I am not well versed in what was there before), but it is now housed in a section of churchofjesuschrist.org under the label of “Same Sex Attraction.” I assume that the previous Mormon and Gay label fell victim to the general scrubbing of the word “Mormon.”
Still, I am saddened by the change.
It has been a while since I looked at the site, but it does appear to contain what it did before. I too am saddened by this change and agree it is probably a victim of the name thing. It may also be part of the revamping of the church’s home page. I get that too, I sometimes had a hard time finding what I was looking for on the page. Honestly I don’t think the “simplification” will help with that and may make pages like the one formally known as Mormon and Gay even harder to find.
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