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http://mormonstories.org/?p=1476 Here is a podcast that I produced for Mormon Stories. It was just published today. I interviewed a New Testament scholar by the name of Jared Anderson on a variety of topics related to an academic view of scripture and the New Testament.
It’s like a mini crash course in New Testament scripture and history. Many of us here might find the last segment (Part 5) particularly interesting, as he discusses his faith journey and how he makes his perspective work while maintaining activity in the Church.
Brian I have only finished the first section of the podcast and I love it! Wow, how informative! Its great being out of the box, being able to absorb it all without worying that it will damage my “Mormon” world view or “Testamony”. Can’t wait to listen to the rest! Thank you!
f4h1
Got an interesting insight into possible hidden meanings in the Bible the other day… In the story of the Gaderene Swine, when Jesus tries to exorcize the man, the demons say their name is “legion”. Well, legions are just what happened to be occupying Judaea at the time, Roman legions. Is there possibly a hidden political meaning here? Just how political was Jesus?
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Read “Jesus Before Christianity” by Albert Nolan. Really interesting stuff.
I’ve been trying to download this podcast for 2 days. For some reason, it is taking so long, that it quits downloading. Anybody else have these problems? (I’m still trying to listen to it.) Mormonheretic you are using iTunes right? I have heard from several people things have been slow. Keep trying! Love Mormon Stories, such an amazing resource. The site has been slow. If anyone can’t get the files, let me know. I can get them to you through alternate means. Brian Excellent podcast! Can you explain more regarding 3rd nephi and the ending of Luke?
f4h1
Just started listening last night. Very interesting. Thanks for facilitating the interview, Brian. While I’m interested in Bible scholarship (and currently have three academic books on the topic that I’m working through) I’m beginning to wonder what the point is, other than to satisfy idle curiousity … or try to. It’s a bit like beating a dead horse. I think Jared addresses this somewhat, but I’m not sure I understood his answer.
“I may never know the answer to this endless mystery”, according to the lyrics to a song I happen to be listening to at the moment. As a friend said to me the other day, the value of scripture is entirely in how it affects the reader — which also could be said of any piece of writing — independent of its ‘objective historical truth’, whatever that means. I suppose I could write my own scripture, by that measure.
I think I’ll keep reading my books.
Fatherof4husbandof1 wrote:Can you explain more regarding 3rd nephi and the ending of Luke
I will see if I can get someone to respond here. I am guessing there is an issue with something Jesus said when he appeared to the Nephites, that was also said in the Gospel of Luke. It may be that whatever that is in Luke has issues (like it’s a scribal insertion and Jesus probably didn’t say it), so the fact that Jesus says almost the same exact thing in the 3 Nephi would be problematic.
Doug, you could write your own scripture, and it could be very worth reading. 
I am not accountable for wherever your mind goes when you contemplate “deep and squishy”
f4h1, I don’t remember a connection between 3 Nephi and the ending of Luke. Did you mean Matthew/the Sermon on the Mount and 3 Nephi?
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Enoch, ya I am unfamiliar with any of these issues. Have they been talked about on other threads? Any info. appreciated!
f4h1
f4h1, Here is the brief version: 3 Nephi has Jesus giving a speech VERY close to the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew. This necessitates that the form of the Sermon on the Matthew is pretty much exactly the way Jesus gave it.
But when you read the Sermon on the Mount really closely, that doesn’t seem to be the case. There seem to be decades of oral transmission before it was put into writing. Then other features of the Sermon seem to match Matthew’s agenda more than Jesus’ (as the podcast mentions, Matthew was written in about 85 using Mark as a source).
If you read Matthew 7, for example, you will notice that Jesus’ sayings sound like distinct fragments of tradition rather than part of a coherent sermon.
Let me know if you have further questions.
Enoch
Thanks Enoch! That does make sense, and I do think it is helpful to consider the historical context of all these writings. I don’t see it as a big surprise though, after realizing there are many passages in the BoM that are basically quoting the KJV. I don’t think that is a serious criticism of the BoM either, it simply illuminates part of the process of its revelation. It makes me think about how scripture comes about. I would like to think the characters on golden plates are translated into English words so I can read them. Seeing historical facts makes me think that just can’t be the process.
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