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I also want a interview or discussion format, but no-one is knocking my door down to be part of the podcast. I have a couple of people who say they will do it later but I am hopeful someone will volunteer soon.
I really like your talks. Now I do remember hearing from institute that there are different accounts of Joseph’s first vision, but in church I never remembered learning about the seer stone Joseph Smith used to translate the Book of Mormon, just like he used the Urim and Thummim that came with the golden plates. Newest Episode is Up Quote:“A RETURN TO FISHING, AND A QUEST FOR LOYALTY”
http://mormondiscussion.podbean.com/2012/10/16/a-return-to-fishing-and-a-quest-for-loyalty/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://mormondiscussion.podbean.com/2012/10/16/a-return-to-fishing-and-a-quest-for-loyalty/ Quote:This Episode is based on Elder Hollands Recent Conference Talk “The First Great Commandment”. Elder Holland made a great observation, which as I consider the story is very likely.
In his talk he makes mention of “Cafeteria Mormon”, Faith Crisis, Loyalty to God and his Gospel.
If you have hit a plateau, have withdrawn your activity, have never put your full energy into the gospel…. this episode is for you.
I will add this episode may seem offensive for some as it deals with a call for all those who have withdrawn from the church to consider coming back… to essentially give the Church another try but to do so seeing the Church for what it is and not what you thought it was.
“…Have never put your full energy into the Gospel…” Yeah. I’ll skip this one Bishop.
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cwald wrote:“…Have never put your full energy into the Gospel…”
Yeah. I’ll skip this one Bishop.
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Please know CWALD there is a separation there
The episode is designed for two groups
– The individual who doesn’t try because he is happy sitting still
– and the individual who cared all too much and ran into faith crisis.
I am in no way saying that all folks fall into the one and the other but rather that the episode is designed for two small subgroups, one of which is those who have never put their full energy into the gospel. Which some have not.
this interchange between DBMormon and cwald raises a question for me: “Is the church the right path for everyone?” I know that Alvin R Dyer in a previous generation taught that it was not, that the Lord knew who he wanted to have in the church. Of course, for him, it was about a mythical model of the pre-mortal existence that his since fallen by the wayside.
But is it possible to outgrow the church? From the Church’s standpoint, the answer would be a clear ‘No’, as the ordinances and covenants are permanent, binding, and essential for salvation and exaltation. If a person has not received the chance for these in this life, they’ll get a shot at it by virtue of vicarious temple service. But for those who’ve already been there, the message is less positive.
I have come to realize that the church does a very good job at pointing to divine realities: that all truth is part of the gospel, that we must love and serve one another, that through our loving service we are serving god, etc. But when the church chooses, for whatever reason, to say to some of us that we are no longer welcome, then is it time to move on? And, in moving on, is there not growth to be had?
I have come to realize, as well, that other churches very effectively point to divine realities. This church is my tribe and culture, which makes it compelling for me to stay, but for those called to another path, is that so wrong? Has that person lost their salvation? I do not think so. I don’t think other paths are superior, but they may speak better to the soul than what we have.
I would like to think that if a close family member or friend chose to be catholic, protestant, jew, buddhist, or taoist, and in so doing wasn’t trying to tell me how stupid I am for being mormon, then we should celebrate together the faith that we share, rather than me thinking ill of this choice. I know an LDS father whose son had devoted much of his life to Zen Buddhism, and how awful that made the father feel. I was saying, hallelujah! he has a path… but it wasn’t the right thing to say so I didn’t.
In my naive pollyannish world, I would hope that we all can just get along, and that people might freely choose and celebrate each others’ choices in love.
DBMormon wrote:cwald wrote:“…Have never put your full energy into the Gospel…”
Yeah. I’ll skip this one Bishop.
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Please know CWALD there is a separation there
The episode is designed for two groups
– The individual who doesn’t try because he is happy sitting still
– and the individual who cared all too much and ran into faith crisis.
I am in no way saying that all folks fall into the one and the other but rather that the episode is designed for two small subgroups, one of which is those who have never put their full energy into the gospel. Which some have not.
OK.
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What’s the deal with podcasts? I neverlistened to one until recently when I checked out JD’s interview of Bushman and I didn’t even finish half of it. I just like reading. I mean this sincerely – is there a benefit to podcasts beyond the ability to listen while driving? I would like to have some of this stuff in text format. Nephite wrote:What’s the deal with podcasts? I
neverlistened to one until recently when I checked out JD’s interview of Bushman and I didn’t even finish half of it. I just like reading. I mean this sincerely – is there a benefit to podcasts beyond the ability to listen while driving? I would like to have some of this stuff in text format. I drive between about 1 hour a day to 2 hours a day. I love these for the reason you give (listening in the car). I got hooked on Mormonstories.org first, found MormonMatters (more faithful) and MormonExpression (more Critical – ended… no new episodes) and after MormonStories interviewed me I wondered how hard this could be, so I tried my own…. very easy
If anyone wants help getting started, let me know
I remember your podcast with John Dehlin and was impressed with your willingness to come into the lions den, even if I may not agree with you on every point. This is useful for me because I’ve been disaffected for about seven years and am basically getting tired of being disaffected. I find a lot of meaning in the BoM whether it’s history or not. I’m a literal believer in God and Christ and salvation by faith, but the rest is pretty much up for grabs. Trinity? Celestial Kingdom? Who knows, since Jesus didn’t really talk much about those things. I’ll probably check out the podcast, but the written word has great value for me because I need to be able to skim through the stuff that’s familiar to me or nit-picky arguments I may not care about. It just gets tiring going through the same stuff over and over again. NOM was very cathartic for me, but it just got to be same stuff, different person after awhile. Same with many other places. I hung around more disaffected sites for awhile, but to be honest I’m not a cultural Mormon. I’m all about the theology, and few people become disaffected with the cultural church while still hanging onto much theology.
I might just be stuck with being a jack Mormon and let it go at that, just live with what I can and don’t sweat so many details. There’s just too much truth in this, despite the whitewashing of the history and the sometime eccliastical abuse. Not to mention blatant marginalization.
Just wondering if you all have re-hashed Elder Cooks talk here? It was lovely being told I should repent of my lack of commitment, just like porn addicts and other failures.
I like podcasts, because I can multitask while listening to them. Also…It is difficult to communicate with just words. Most of communication is not done by the words we say.
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Newest episode is up http://mormondiscussion.podbean.com/2012/10/23/what-is-official-doctrine/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://mormondiscussion.podbean.com/2012/10/23/what-is-official-doctrine/ Have you ever been taught in the church that
– the Earth was 6,000 years old?
– All native Americans are Lamanites?
– Evolution is absolutely false
Have you discovered some comments by leaders that are racist and offensive?
Have you ever heard a crazy opinion from a leader that you disagreed with?
Many of us have and as we in our mind define the Church, many of us make the mistake of incorporating these ideas into what we consider to be the “Official Doctrine” of the Church. Sometimes these items are so obtrusive to our making progress that they cause us to leave the church or to wallow in a faith crisis for long periods of time. We need not have this happen. We simply need to confront our perception and fix it where it is skewed and doesn’t match reality.
Once one confronts this issue one recognizes very quickly that the Church has all along cautioned it’s members from taking the words of one leader or member and constituting that as Doctrine.
Resources for this podcast
D. Todd Christofferson –
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng Neil Anderson Q12 –
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/10/trial-of-your-faith?lang=eng FAIR-Doctrine-
http://www.fairlds.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/What_is_Mormon_Doctrine.pdf Bob Millet –
http://www.ldsces.org/xml/iws/60500/RLM%20What%20is%20Our%20Doctrine.pdf Thanks for Listening!!!!!
MormonDiscussion.podbean.com
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-discussion-latter-day/id562296100 Don’t forget this one also. I found it pretty eye-opening, although some would say it just allows for plausible deniability. Inside the church it’s the word of God because a leader said it. Outside the church it’s just some leader expressing his opinion. Much like President Hinckley and the infamous “I don’t know that we teach that anymore” comment about doctrine we do teach pretty darn consistently. In general I tried to take this for what it said and not in a subversive way.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine Thanks for the replies. It makes sense to be able to listen while doing other things. Getting the tone of voice, etc. is also good. BobDixon wrote:Don’t forget this one also. I found it pretty eye-opening, although some would say it just allows for plausible deniability. Inside the church it’s the word of God because a leader said it. Outside the church it’s just some leader expressing his opinion. Much like President Hinckley and the infamous “I don’t know that we teach that anymore” comment about doctrine we do teach pretty darn consistently.
In general I tried to take this for what it said and not in a subversive way.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/approaching-mormon-doctrine added it. Thank you
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