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The Brant Gardner interview on translating the Book of Mormon was great. Thanks for adding me to your Facebook page. :thumbup: thanks. Feedback is always appreciated I also listened to you interview with Gardner today. Very good
good to hear. Lots of interviews coming. new episode is up. It is kind of a filler episode as an interview fell through. This episode reviews a letter that was sent to me in the midst of my faith crisis, that helped to bring me out of mine.
mormondiscussion.podbean.com
The letter was for me, not anyone else so perhaps it may offend some but it isn’t meant to as it isn’t meant for anyone else. It was for me, and in large part, it worked
UPCOMING INTERVIEW NEXT WEEK 
[img]https://ebooks-imgs.eb.sonynei.com/product/400/000/000/000/000/921/041/400000000000000921041_s4.jpg [/img] Steven C Harper is a professor of Church History and Doctrine at BYU. He has written several books and has contributed to the Joseph Smith Papers project. In next week’s interview we will focus on his book “Joseph Smith’s First Vision – A Guide to Historical Accounts” and discuss the context, differences, unity, and other aspects of the different accounts.
As usual – If you have any questions for Bro. Harper – please email me at
reelmormon@gmail.com 
[img]http://s3.amazonaws.com/byutv/content/Images/JOSEP/JOSEP-1-3_Large.jpg [/img] http://MormonDiscussion.podbean.comhttp://MormonDiscussion.podbean.com” class=”bbcode_url”> This is the the True and Living Church. What does that mean? What are the implications of that? Does it give us a right to arrogance or elitism? Does membership in it improve our chance for salvation?
We explore that question and topic today on MormonDiscussion
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Please tune in next week when we publish our interview with Steven C. Harper on the first Vision
Mormondiscussion.podbean.com Terryl and Fiona Given “Crucible of Doubt” Fireside will be available by the end if the day today on the site.
In May of 2013, LDS Intellectuals Terryl & Fiona Givens toured the UK and Ireland giving firesides on the ‘Crucible of Doubt’. In these firesides they covered the subject of Faith and Doubt and tried to help members struggling to better frame their understanding as to give room for Faith.
The audio is a low quality recording from someone in attendance and while I have cleaned it up and increased the volume it is still difficult to listen to at times. Be aware as well that when people cough near the person recording that is much louder then Terryl and Fiona’s voice and I am not liable for hearing damage. I suggest turning the volume as low as you can and still make out what they are saying.
DBMormon wrote:Mormondiscussion.podbean.com
Be aware as well that when people cough near the person recording that is much louder then Terryl and Fiona’s voice and I am not liable for hearing damage.
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Thank you for doing this. I’m looking forward to hearing it.
It’s up! 
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QFJ9y_nsy6I/UOOo7lc1YmI/AAAAAAAAAKI/fRWmxELzAwI/s1600/jsfv.jpeg [/img] http://MormonDiscussion.podbean.comhttp://MormonDiscussion.podbean.com” class=”bbcode_url”> Steven C Harper is a professor of Church History and Doctrine at BYU. He has written several books and has contributed to the Joseph Smith Papers project. In our interview we focus on his book “Joseph Smith’s First Vision – A Guide to Historical Accounts” and discuss the context, differences, unity, and other aspects of the different accounts. We also talk about faith crisis and how best o handle Church as the one struggling and how you are of much worth to the Church.
My main way of recording the interviewee’s voice didn’t work out, so a backup program was used but sound quality suffers slightly due to that, but this interview is full of insights that will be beneficial to the listener, so I hope you’ll hang in there.
http://deseretbook.com/Joseph-Smiths-First-Vision-Steven-C-Harper/i/5081861 E-book version
http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-Smiths-First-Vision-ebook/dp/B00BF2Z872 This was a great interview and I hope you are blessed by it.
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Thanks for a really nice interview. He strikes me as genuine, gentle and knowlegeable. These are the moments, though, when I’m not sure that my trust in Joseph Smith can be restored. It’s just gone, at least for now. But I don’t feel inclined to go anywhere else. I have so much to learn and I can probably do it from where I am. One thing I REALLY wish “they” would stop doing is: implying that things like multiple and conflicting versions of the First Vision were there all the time and you’re just kind of lazy if you didn’t know about them or dismissed them because they were never taught at church. I was TRUSTING.
Ann, I agree. It is a multi tiered issue. 1.) The Church decides not to talk about it in the three hour block.
2.) Members of the Church strongly create a cultural image of anything against the Church being anti-mormon propaganda that are all lies. Aaaaahahhhhh, Stay away from that.
3.) Most of us gather the idea that The Church is “true” in a way that it has all truth and “shares” that truth with us when others can not. We inevitably trust the Church, to tell us everything that may be of consequence. We assume that the Church will not hide anything from us but is completely open.
4.) We Choose not to read due to the reasons above. We don’t probe, examine, test, and search for new truth.
These all combine for a huge fall. I add though that it is easy to see how that happened and to see it as natural and not evil on the part of the church. Think about your first date. Did you tell that person everything about yourself? Did you list your flaws and weaknesses? Was that wrong? Was that Evil? Are they obligated to do that. How does your future boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse learn your weaknesses? Through experience by encountering them, usually not by the person reporting them. Is that wrong? Is that evil? It seems pretty natural to me. The problem is our expectation of how the TRUE Church should behave is high above our expectation of any other institution or person, and yet with the exception of a sporadic moments of deep revelation, who runs the day to day operation of the Church?….. human beings. Once one grasps how human our leaders are and how left to their own they are day to day without speaking face to face with God, then we see how this happens.
Joseph Fielding Smith wasn’t trying to hide the stone in the hat but instead he didn’t believe it. So it called it wrong. His son n law followed.
Leaders read the Scriptures and many of them like many of us take everything to be literal (age of the earth, Global Flood, evolution) and they teach their opinions which entail a literal understanding of the scriptures.
Once we get past all this and improve what has to be and what can change, there is plenty of room for faith.
DBMormon wrote:Think about your first date. Did you tell that person everything about yourself? Did you list your flaws and weaknesses? Was that wrong?
But this doesn’t feel like a first date. It feels more like an unhappy marriage in which the church is the spouse who can never, ever, ever say that he is wrong, or sorry, or unsure. Yes, I can stay in that marriage, but it’s mighty disappointing.
I’m not trying to tear anyone else’s world apart. But I go a little crazy at his suggestion that talking about these things in regular old Gospel Doctrine class is an act of aggression and faith-destroying. Why shouldn’t we have a discussion about multiple versions of the First Vision? It’s kind of a big deal.
I appreciate what you’re doing.
Dbmormon I love your podcasts. You seem like a faithful, thinking and open minded, honest person. Keep up the good work!! Wish there were more of you in my ward!
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