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Theodore B. Olson is a conservative that wrote an Essay in Newsweek. It is called; “The Conservative Case for Gay Marriage”. You can google it or find it here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/229957 . I’m pretty moderate. I agree with democrats on the estate tax, and other things. But I just don’t get the gay thing.Do same-sex unions promote the values conservatives prize?
Reasons to agree: %
1. At its best, it is a stable bond between two individuals who work to create a loving household and a social and economic partnership.
2. Marriage requires thinking beyond one’s own needs.
3. Marriage transforms two individuals into a union based on shared aspirations, and in doing so establishes a formal investment in the well-being of society.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
4. Marriage is an expression of our desire to create a social partnership, to live and share life’s joys and burdens with the person we love, and to form a lasting bond and a social identity.
5. We should let gay couples marry, but we should consider being a gay couple a strike against you if you want to adopt. Children have a right to a mother and a father. True, a lot of children do not have mothers and fathers, and we can see all the problems this causes. We should still let gay couples adopt, but stable people, and all things being equal, you should give a child to a straight couple. Sorry gays, but it is not about you, and I know you hate being “judged” but it is about the children. Sure. There are a lot of you that are better parents than I am, but again, in general, all other things being equal, it has to be better for a child to be exposed to typical gender roles
Reasons to disagree:
1. In order to really know you are gay, you have to try both sides. But how do you know that the man or woman you slept with was typical of all men or women, so maybe you have to sleep with 10 from each, but this type of experimentation is not a value that conservatives prize.
2. Marriage is not about creating bonds of super friendship between adults, it is about creating stable homes to raise children. Children are better served by two gender parents.
3. If we allow gays to marry, what is to stop polygamy?
4. We should be careful remaking our society. Traditions are around, because those societies that didn’t keep the traditions, did not stay together.
Just because America was wrong on African American rights, Native American Rights, Irish Rights, and Women’s rights, doesn’t mean we are wrong on gay rights. All of these other things were race or gender related. Being gay is a choice.
5. Not every couple has children, but you can’t let the exception make the rule. You have to make decisions based on what typically happens, and typically married couples have children.
Background:
I like listening to Mormon stories. They investigate all sorts of aspects of Mormonism’s weird past, and they are pretty pro-gay marriage. But I just can’t get that into it. If states want to legalize gay marriage, that is fine, but if they don’t, then that is fine. It is good that gays have the right to inherit their partner’s fortunes, visit each other in the hospital. It is good that it is illegal to discriminate against them. We should be nice to them. But their problems are not as bad as being a racial minority, and they have jumped the shark, when every TV show has a gay in it. I’m sick and tired of it all getting crammed down my throat. I think there is such thing as being a pervert. Men who like Men, and Women who like Women can’t both be right. Either one sex is better to be married to, or the other one is. It is better to be married to a woman, and the fewer women that figure this out, the better it is for men. I’m sort of joking, but I agree with Kurt Cobain: Everyone is gay, and that with enough conditioning, experimentation, and exposure most sexual experiments will feel good with enough practice. Maybe I’m stupid. Some psychologist say people are born gay, and it seems that some people say they tried being heterosexual, and it didn’t work. These type of people should be left to do what they want, but of course some people make choices, and waste time trying to figure out questions that did not have to be asked. But when people say they are born gay, is this stupid stuff when the like dolphins, and drama, and we call those things gay? This is all so stupid.
I know not very many people agree with me. I want to know what I think that is wrong…
What do you think of this – especially as a first-time post? My instinct is to send a PM asking him to read the other posts dealing with homosexuality and comment there – especially since this feels like a pre-fabricated post that has been copied from somewhere else.
I also had some reservations when I saw his explanation when he requested to join – and I don’t like his response in his introduction thread at all. It was brief and very evasive. I’m a little concerned that we might have a troll on our hands, although he did use a picture.
I am sending a PM telling him what I have done with his post and asking him to let us talk about it. I’ll see how he responds.
Let’s use a combined topic to discuss coaching this new user in one place: http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1431 I am locking this, so we can discuss on the combined one. Thanks, Brian.
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