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HiJolly, Thanks for the recommendation. I enjoyed reading the article. I loved the symbolism and analogy of birth and partaking of the first tree. That was new to me.
A while back our gospel doctrine teacher, who was also our former Bishop and a retired institute teacher, taught a lesson on “the Fall”. His lesson helped me to see the topic on a whole new level. Before his lesson, I always felt confused by why God would give them(Adam and Eve) a commandment and then expect them to break the commandment. I never truly got a satisfactory answer to that question.
However, in his lesson he taught that when God said they should not eat of the fruit it was not a commandment but a statement of fact that eating of the fruit will bring a consequence not a punishment. ” 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
In verse 16 he explains that eating of the fruit of all the other trees they can do free of consequence, but that the consequence of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge will be mortality. Which I felt fit with the doctrine we have always heard that Eve knew she must partake that “Man Might Be”.
If you had not already heard of that approach to the fall I thought you might find it interesting.
MesaMom wrote:HiJolly, Thanks for the recommendation.
I enjoyed reading the article. I loved the symbolism and analogy of birth and partaking of the first tree. That was new to me.
A while back our gospel doctrine teacher, who was also our former Bishop and a retired institute teacher, taught a lesson on “the Fall”. His lesson helped me to see the topic on a whole new level. Before his lesson, I always felt confused by why God would give them(Adam and Eve) a commandment and then expect them to break the commandment. I never truly got a satisfactory answer to that question.
However, in his lesson he taught that when God said they should not eat of the fruit it was not a commandment but a statement of fact that eating of the fruit will bring a consequence not a punishment. ” 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
In verse 16 he explains that eating of the fruit of all the other trees they can do free of consequence, but that the consequence of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge will be mortality. Which I felt fit with the doctrine we have always heard that Eve knew she must partake that “Man Might Be”.
If you had not already heard of that approach to the fall I thought you might find it interesting.
Yes, I like that approach – and while I had some feelings that match this, I had not thought it out. Very good.HiJolly
Kalola wrote:cwald wrote:The lady who spoke, talked a lot about how it’s a sin to throw your baby up in the air because it “dislodges” their brains and makes them “retarded.” No I am not joking. I enjoyed it all personally – very entertaining. .
As the mother of a son who has autism and moderate mental retardation, I find this extremely sad.
*hugs*
Kalola wrote:cwald wrote:The lady who spoke, talked a lot about how it’s a sin to throw your baby up in the air because it “dislodges” their brains and makes them “retarded.” No I am not joking. I enjoyed it all personally – very entertaining. .
As the mother of a son who has autism and moderate mental retardation, I find this extremely sad.
I did not mean to offend. Just stating what I heard. jwald said that I vocally snorted and laughed when she said this. I didn’t laugh about it being funny though – I laughed at it because it was so inappropriate, being said over the podium during SM.
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