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I went to a SS teacher in-service over the weekend. The first item of business was to not use outside sources. Unfortunately the list of approved sources was basically everything on LDS.org, in the manual, words of the prophets etc. Basically I found it difficult because it would hamstring someone bringing in quotes from Mother Theresa and the Dahli Lama, but not from somebody bringing in the 14 Fundamentals or Miracle of Forgiveness.
It was said that we need to guard against new converts bringing in traditions of other faiths. It was essentially that anything from the outside is suspect, anything from the inside is above reproach. There was discussion on drinking form the “pure spring”
👿 I would have loved to hear some discussion of how “Mormon Doctrine” is not Doctrine and should not be used.
At least we have the quotes section of StayLDS where we can share ideas while using the “words of the prophets.”
jhp – I’m glad that your bishop seems genuinely interested in you even if he can’t really understand where you are.
Roy: Who conducted this in-service? The SS presidency. The complete bishopbric was in attendance. I was invited because I co-teach the 4 year olds in primary. (my other complaint is that the material didn’t seem as relevant to my calling and was presented in a lecture style format)
The church’s love for the Proclamation on the Family will come around to bite us in the butt if we aren’t careful. I see a few issues: 1) it was written by lawyers to oppose gay marriage in Hawaii (is this really how “revelation” is received now?), 2) it was redacted as “revelation” (pointed out already), and 3) some of its statements about gender being essential, gender roles being specified (although there is individual adaptation in there), and the unstated intent – opposition to gay marriage – are all time-bound issues that will become more problematic, not less, in time. Roy wrote:Basically I found it difficult because it would hamstring someone bringing in quotes from Mother Theresa and the Dahli Lama, but not from somebody bringing in the 14 Fundamentals or Miracle of Forgiveness.
I was attending a Commencement Program for one of the Church schools not long ago and Elder Robert C Gay spoke at length of the example of Mother Theresa. His message was a call to use our talents to do good in the world.Roy wrote:The first item of business was to not use outside sources. Unfortunately the list of approved sources was basically everything on LDS.org, in the manual, words of the prophets etc.
Basically I found it difficult because it would hamstring someone bringing in quotes from Mother Theresa and the Dahli Lama, but not from somebody bringing in the 14 Fundamentals or Miracle of Forgiveness.
Well, I know there’s stuff about Mother Teresa on LDS.org and I think there’s stuff about the Dalai Lama. Also, there’s a chapter in a manual called “The Miracle of Forgiveness,” but the book with that title is not on the website.With that said, I do see your concern.
hawkgrrrl wrote:…I see a few issues: 1) it was written by lawyers to oppose gay marriage in Hawaii (is this really how “revelation” is received now?)…
I’m interested in any evidence of this. All I have seen so far is a comment posted on Zelophehad’s Daughters page.BKP specifically mentioned the three lawyers who wrote it in a conference in Northern CA. I wasn’t in attendance. Why then would he call it revelation? I believe by his standards, it is, simply because the Q15 all signed it. Roy wrote:I went to a SS teacher in-service over the weekend. The first item of business was to not use outside sources. Unfortunately the list of approved sources was basically everything on LDS.org, in the manual, words of the prophets etc.
Basically I found it difficult because it would hamstring someone bringing in quotes from Mother Theresa and the Dahli Lama, but not from somebody bringing in the 14 Fundamentals or Miracle of Forgiveness.
I would have no problem ignoring that directive, but that’s me. Each unit is different but I’m fairly confident that 99 times out of 100 I’d never get called out for using outside sources.
Besides, doesn’t using that criteria also prohibit personal stories? My personal stories about gospel principles aren’t on lds.org, the manuals, or talked about during GC yet we are encouraged to share them. Here’s a personal story: one time I was reading about Mother Theresa and…
I would ignore it. If they didn’t like my lessons, they could release me. No skin off my nose.
Quote:Well, the conversation was a bit more complicated than that, but that’s the general feeling I got.
I went into the meeting with him with only one main question: is someone who thinks the way I do and believes the way I do really welcome in this ward and in this church?
I asked him that question directly and he gave a response similar to the email above. He laughed out loud (I mean, literally threw his head back laughing) and said “Don’t be ridiculous.”
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I don’t want to dismiss your feelings, because to you they are very real, but my take on the conversation you just shared with your bishop about whether or not you were really welcome in your ward, was that he was laughing like that was a ludicrous question. OF COURSE someone like you is welcome in the ward. I think maybe you’re being way too hard on yourself.
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