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So, I have learned that all of us are just screwed up children in adult bodies doing the best we can and need to help each other.
And I wish we could get it thru our heads that church is more about doing our best and helping each other than needing everyone to do it the RIGHT way.
I suppose that goes for bishops that bother me too.
Maybe if we could put more of our energies into the helping part instead of evaluating each others performance, we’d be better off. I wonder if this is the essence of what sustaining our leaders is about.
Poppyseed wrote:And I wish we could get it thru our heads that church is more about doing our best and helping each other than needing everyone to do it the RIGHT way.
Isn’t THAT the truth, too!
I know I made this comparison on another thread, but that’s the beauty of AA meetings. People are there because they’re trying to do better, help each other, and gain health… in a perfect world this would be the experience going to church, AA for our souls.
swimordie wrote:Poppyseed wrote:And I wish we could get it thru our heads that church is more about doing our best and helping each other than needing everyone to do it the RIGHT way.
Isn’t THAT the truth, too!
I know I made this comparison on another thread, but that’s the beauty of AA meetings. People are there because they’re trying to do better, help each other, and gain health… in a perfect world this would be the experience going to church, AA for our souls.
I like these remarks a lot. In my experience, I felt the church was always teaching that there is a “Right” way, a straight and narrow path, an Iron rod to hold to…and that if I could bend my life to that “way” then I’d be happy. Pursuing that for years was what motivated me. But lately I’ve been really thinking that I was putting too much pressure on myself, and instead, now feel I place more emphasis on living in the moment and being happy, accepting my faults and weaknesses and strengths, and letting go of pressure to keep pace with others as the assumed pace I should be going at.I think it is natural for leaders who really want to help people to prescribe the solution from their perspectives of what works, when I think there are so many paths to happiness, we should all be more like poppyseed and just say, “Do your best and help each other”. It makes me think of single people in the church and their situation.
Heber13 wrote:swimordie wrote:Poppyseed wrote:And I wish we could get it thru our heads that church is more about doing our best and helping each other than needing everyone to do it the RIGHT way.
Isn’t THAT the truth, too!
I know I made this comparison on another thread, but that’s the beauty of AA meetings. People are there because they’re trying to do better, help each other, and gain health… in a perfect world this would be the experience going to church, AA for our souls.
I like these remarks a lot. In my experience, I felt the church was always teaching that there is a “Right” way, a straight and narrow path, an Iron rod to hold to…and that if I could bend my life to that “way” then I’d be happy. Pursuing that for years was what motivated me. But lately I’ve been really thinking that I was putting too much pressure on myself, and instead, now feel I place more emphasis on living in the moment and being happy, accepting my faults and weaknesses and strengths, and letting go of pressure to keep pace with others as the assumed pace I should be going at.
It’s interesting to hear you describe this. It feels exactly like what I have been going through. I feel rather embarrassed to admit that I try to sit in the “being”/”accepting of self and where I am at” mindset and then I kinda look around wondering if its ok to do that as if I am doing something wrong by not driving myself to be better all the time. I still feel such a compulsion towards self examination and perfectionism. But then my brain knows that such isn’t what the gospel is about anyway. And maybe this is what “men are that they might have joy” is all about. Thank goodness for books like “Loving What Is” by Byron Katie. That book came to me at such a crucial time. It literally saved me in some ways.Heber13 wrote:swimordie wrote:Poppyseed wrote:And I wish we could get it thru our heads that church is more about doing our best and helping each other than needing everyone to do it the RIGHT way.
Isn’t THAT the truth, too!
I know I made this comparison on another thread, but that’s the beauty of AA meetings. People are there because they’re trying to do better, help each other, and gain health… in a perfect world this would be the experience going to church, AA for our souls.
I like these remarks a lot. In my experience, I felt the church was always teaching that there is a “Right” way, a straight and narrow path, an Iron rod to hold to…and that if I could bend my life to that “way” then I’d be happy. Pursuing that for years was what motivated me. But lately I’ve been really thinking that I was putting too much pressure on myself, and instead, now feel I place more emphasis on living in the moment and being happy, accepting my faults and weaknesses and strengths, and letting go of pressure to keep pace with others as the assumed pace I should be going at.
This is exactly how I was.I thought I might share exactly the same type of experience that happened at our last PH meeting on the topic of the Relief Society. The teacher was babbling on about how good the sisters are, and how they help people in the ward, and how it is one of the oldest women’s organization (holding the Joseph Smith manual in one hand and reading most of time, 😥 . So I put in the following: The first work for the Relief Society was to provide clothing, and support for the incoming English saints who were literally flooding into Nauvoo, needed places to stay and support and were working on the temple. Having that out of my system I added “and did you know that the first language the Book of Mormon was translated into was Welsh? And that’s because a lot of the stonemasons were Welsh and bringing over more of their families.”Total silence, a few nods, and then back to reading the manual.
🙄 I love these moments. I personally feel I can’t bring up stuff like this anymore as I’m considered an ‘apostate’ by many of the ward members already but I love seeing when others bring up things that clearly make others ‘uncomfortable’. This Sunday actually in Sunday School during a discussion of Joseph Smith’s death someone brought up that Joseph Smith had a pistol (unfortunately nobody brought up that he used it and killed one of the assailants) but it was rather entertaining to see the young teacher who had never heard that not know how to respond so she just kind of looked blankly and said, “Oh, I never knew that” and moved on. However, you are right that a lot of times there is no reaction. I think most members deep down are realists and when someone brings the discussion back to reality and away from dogma they recognize that the person has a point and don’t wish to make themselves foolish by debating it and so they just simply move on.
Luigi wrote:“Oh, I never knew that” and moved on.
Oh how I wish I heard this more often in church and it wasn’t followed by an awkward silence. Why can’t our classes be open to remarks from everyone in the class…why should it feel like only those who are repeating what’s inthe manual are allowed to talk? Perhaps teachers would allow it if they were just trained on how to keep it from going totally off the end of the dock, but welcome everyone to share their ideas and let the spirit teach all who are there.
Quote:D&C 50:22 Wherefore, he that preacheth and he that receiveth, understand one another, and both are edified and rejoice together.
Why does the church allow fear of the dissenting remarks? Why does Luigi have to feel like keeping his trap shut because he’s an “apostate”. Is there nowhere in the church to discuss this concern?
Luigi, Joseph didn’t kill anyone, but he did wound 3 people. We just had a discussion on that over in the History and Doctrine forum. Heber, “is there nowhere to discuss this concern?” Yes, StayLDS!!!
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