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Sometime, cheesy rocks. Personally, I loved it.
I am sorry you are in pain. You’ve had a rough go of things, no doubt. Don’t be too hard on yourself. I don’t think God wants us to suppress our doubts all our lives because we were too afraid of what we might find. I’ll be honest, I don’t completely understand how this correlates with faith. But regardless, I feel sure He wants us to go out and find out the truth – and I think He’s OK if we have to wander a bit to do that. I think that’s one of the things the Atonement really did – it buys us all the time we need to figure things out. It’s not like God made the rules – we’ll eventually come to the same conclusion as He has. You’d be surprised how many people still believe in fairies. Big in Iceland especially. I know someone whose sister says she saw one once.
Shawn wrote:She fell for me when I was at my best
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Maybe it really is meant to be and we will find a way.
I think most of us would say the same – that in some ways we were at our best, or at least on our best behavior, when we got married. And then life happens and we grow and change and need to recapture that wedding day person every so often. I hope you do find a way. I’d say my sister’s marriage had multiple strikes against it, but they have staying power and I’ve been humbled to watch it not just endure, but eventually start to shine.
Shawn wrote:My body, mind, and spirit have been aching.
Faith is no longer merely believing without seeing. I am now expected to believe despite the great amount of contrary evidence.
Perhaps faith can move a mountain of evidence.
Perhaps the muscles of your faith are aching because you’re trying to move that mountain.
I can definitely relate.
CWALD – profound…. I need to be the water more myself. Church was hard Sunday. There is an “old boys club” – the old wise members who have a nonsensical speculative view of Mormonism and Every Sunday they state nonsense and every week I put my two cents in and it is hard.
I simply can not say nothing as it just isn’t in me to rise above it. If Church is about sitting through the nonsense in silence, I would have to leave the Church. I have to speak up for my own sanity but that causes feelings of frustration too!
I should add I no longer have major issues with Doctrine or Church History though I certainly still see issues and problems. My separation from the Church is entirely Cultural based.
DBMormon wrote:…I should add I no longer have major issues with Doctrine or Church History though I certainly still see issues and problems. My separation from the Church is entirely Cultural based.
Whoa, buddy. What do you mean by your “separation from the Church”?My emotional angst, separation, frustration. I am still both feet in…. just trying to say that it is the culture that pushes me away or separates me spiritually from my faith community!
DBMormon wrote:My emotional angst, separation, frustration.
I am still both feet in…. just trying to say that it is the culture that pushes me away or separates me spiritually from my faith community!
Us DB, it’s why I gave Mormonism another chance. I have seen others do the same so I’ll post an article about a really good story about it.
Count me in DB. I can pick and choose the various “doctrines” and even make a solid claim to them. I am totally aware that the present church, as an institution, has backed itself into a theological corner. I also sense the nudging of various factors to change that corneredness. But I get to a point where the cultural chokes me. It’s like a pervasive weed. I don’t mean that I am better than others, more knowledgeable or such, but I feel like that pure religion, pure Christianness part gets way lost. Those are the hardest interactions for me.
So Brother – I know we share a bench often, I just want to keep the offer open, and pillow to hold your spot. By The Way – I would love all of you to sit in my bench. This is my favorite ward so far in life.
Shawn – I hope today feels good in your soul today.
I think in a figurative way we can be “in the church” but not “of the church.” Ion a side note Shawn, there is a new break through with regards to depression study and new medicine. Ghrelin Neroprotective molecular study.
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The P7C3 class of neuroprotective compounds exerts antidepressant efficacy in mice by increasing hippocampal neurogenesis
A K Walker, P D Rivera, Q Wang, J-C Chuang, S Tran, S Osborne-Lawrence, S J Estill, R Starwalt, P Huntington, L Morlock, J Naidoo, N S Williams, J M Ready, A J Eisch, A A Pieper and J M Zigman
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Augmenting hippocampal neurogenesis represents a potential new strategy for treating depression. Here we test this possibility by comparing hippocampal neurogenesis in depression-prone ghrelin receptor (Ghsr)-null mice to that in wild-type littermates and by determining the antidepressant efficacy of the P7C3 class of neuroprotective compounds. Exposure of Ghsr-null mice to chronic social defeat stress (CSDS) elicits more severe depressive-like behavior than in CSDS-exposed wild-type littermates, and exposure of Ghsr-null mice to 60% caloric restriction fails to elicit antidepressant-like behavior. CSDS resulted in more severely reduced cell proliferation and survival in the ventral dentate gyrus (DG) subgranular zone of Ghsr-null mice than in that of wild-type littermates. Also, caloric restriction increased apoptosis of DG subgranular zone cells in Ghsr-null mice, although it had the opposite effect in wild-type littermates. Systemic treatment with P7C3 during CSDS increased survival of proliferating DG cells, which ultimately developed into mature (NeuN+) neurons. Notably, P7C3 exerted a potent antidepressant-like effect in Ghsr-null mice exposed to either CSDS or caloric restriction, while the more highly active analog P7C3-A20 also exerted an antidepressant-like effect in wild-type littermates. Focal ablation of hippocampal stem cells with radiation eliminated this antidepressant effect, further attributing the P7C3 class antidepressant effect to its neuroprotective properties and resultant augmentation of hippocampal neurogenesis. Finally, P7C3-A20 demonstrated greater proneurogenic efficacy than a wide spectrum of currently marketed antidepressant drugs. Taken together, our data confirm the role of aberrant hippocampal neurogenesis in the etiology of depression and suggest that the neuroprotective P7C3-compounds represent a novel strategy for treating patients with this disease.
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Clinical depression. I have SAD (seasonal affective disorder) , and most likely will all my life. Depression is easy for me to explain to others but the synesthesia I have is not and I keep a tight lid on it in public. So ya, I know what it is like to struggle. There is always hope and acceptance of self.
Btw- thank you for all your contributions to the forum.
DarkJedi wrote:I think in a figurative way we can be “in the church” but not “of the church.”
Very true.
Thanks guys. It is hard and I see why people leave and honor that choice…. For me the Church is home so I press on.
DB, I would attend elder’s quorum if I were you. You are too young to hang out with the high priests. When I made this thread, I was primarily thinking about how difficult it can be to have faith in God. I suppose there have been obstacles in all ages: famine, war, and other calamities. These days we have additional hurdles: scientific findings contradicting scripture, apparent absence of miracles, etc. But it was once so easy for me to have faith in God! I believed in miracles. It seems that my memories of spiritual experiences have been suppressed or blunted. Could it be that God actually causes this out of mercy to lessen my accountability?
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