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Donna wrote:
I just wanted to add I looked in the handbook and it makes no reference to someone who is still a Seventy. The information is for Elders and High Priests.
My second hand understanding was that being a “seventy” was at one time akin to being a permanant ward/stake missionary. I believe that this is discontinued at the local level and those seventys that still remain are left to die out. They would probably be more comfortable in HP since I would assume them to be advanced in age. I don’t see any particular reason why they would need to be made a high priest.
Roy wrote:Donna wrote:I just wanted to add I looked in the handbook and it makes no reference to someone who is still a Seventy. The information is for Elders and High Priests.
My second hand understanding was that being a “seventy” was at one time akin to being a permanant ward/stake missionary. I believe that this is discontinued at the local level and those seventys that still remain are left to die out. They would probably be more comfortable in HP since I would assume them to be advanced in age. I don’t see any particular reason why they would need to be made a high priest.
My recollection in our ward is that those who were sevenies at the time (which was an office similar to elders and high priests) were all ordained high priests.
What Roy said. I have friends who still are Seventies (due to personal choice) and friends who have been made High Priests. It’s totally up to the local leadership and the individuals – and I know some people who have chosen to remain Seventies even after being asked about being made High Priests.
Roy wrote:Donna wrote:I believe that this is discontinued at the local level and those seventys that still remain are left to die out.
Ouch!!! I know you didn’t mean this but it sounds so very disposable…it made me chuckle as it echoes how I have felt at certain times in my church existence.
If someone is a Seventy they stay a Seventy unless they are asked to be a High Priest or is it their chose to stay a Seventy.I know that in some wards the Seventy were made High Priests I don’t think it is church wide in Utah. I was a 70 when the change was made. As I understood it, every 70 could be a HP or go to the Elders Quorum. Most were made HP’s. To be left a 70 doesn’t make sense to me because they are without “form or function” on a
Stake or Ward level. There were no 70’s Presidents anymore & no direction or formal organization. Choice to remain a
70 wasn’t an option that I was given.
Mike I agree with you. My husband is still a seventy. It would have been lot easier for him to have assigned to the High Priest. I will never understand their thinking on leaving him a Seventy. He doesn’t have a place he belongs. Donna, who does he report to for HT? where does he go for PH classes? As organized as the church is & the reporting structure so well defined, etc, I find it interesting that they would leave someone
hanging out by themselves. I hope this isn’t getting off track.
He is going to HP. He is assigned to home teacher with the HP. He doesn’t have the home teaching list and his partner likes to go alone so goes without my husband. He has been bounced for years between the Elders and HP. They seems to forget he would like to be a home teacher. If the Elders need him to HT he is assigned there .
This time it is the HP. A lot of times the forget to assign him any where.This usually happened when they change the HT assignments. He ask the Bishop why he wasn’t a HT.
The Bishop told him to go to HP. It is interesting how they don’t use the people who are willing to serve. Our ward is very laid back HP and Vt. I haven’t had visiting teachers in months. I found out today. They are reporting I have been visited.
Donna wrote:A lot of times the forget to assign him any where.
I want to be a 70 …. be forgotten…. that would be nice …. very nice!I have decided to talk to the Bishop and tell him how I feel. Wish me luck. I talked to The Bishop. I told him I needed visiting teachers. I also mention my husband needed a calling and was available to like to be a home teacher. Well none has changed. I’m sorry to hear that. I know sometimes the wheels turn pretty slowly in some wards, but it has been awhile. FWIW, about two years ago I asked for a new home teacher because I had the same guy for many years, all through my crisis of faith, etc., and I just didn’t feel he was bringing anything to our home. And, he was kind of a weird old guy who didn’t really relate to the kids. He did, however, come almost every month. So I got what I asked for, a younger home teacher with kids in age that correlate to ours, able to relate well with the kids, very likable. He has been three times in the last two years. I did make it pretty clear to the bishop that I wanted home teachers. That’s part of why I see my bishop and HPGL as uninspired. I have shared both concerns in prayer (which is also part of why I don’t believe prayers are answered, but it’s just one example of many) yet no change was made until I asked and it turns out the change has been for the worse – now a family with an inactive member has essentially no home teacher. I am sorry that you have a home teacher that doesn’t come. I personally think home teaching and visiting teaching are great ways to fellowship. Here in Utah they don’t seem to care. Even if you tell them what you need. I am going through a faith crisis. I wish I could say I had some love and support from my ward. I haven’t had any support. It appears those of us who are Utah transplants don’t need calling. After years of trying I am done. I do have some very nice friends but the are not members.
I have reached the conclusion that I have very little time for people who waste my time any longer. I find the church can be an incredible time-waster. Training conducted without a needs analysis (expecting veterans to attend who have heard it a million times), people who agree to assignments and then do not follow-through. Be judicious about where you will spend your time. Don’t let the church waste it, and if there is infighting and people who exclude you, or refuse to work with you, then find a different Ward to attend.
I attend a different Ward than my own due to excessive dysfunction in my own ward. In a way, it’s kind of nice because there are NO expectations of you to serve in any capacity whatsoever — the Bishop can do nothing but give temporary assignments, not callings — by church “law”. Therefore, go to the Ward of your choice, put your time into something that really matters to you and where you can serve others, and get the benefit of spirituality there — it doesn’t have to be in the church.
As my signature line indicates “it doesn’t have to be about the church all the time”. Particularly when the church is disorganized and dysfunctional.
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