Nelson’s Version of PoX as Revelation in Seminary Manual

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They’re trying to make the POX unquestionable by promoting it to “revelation” status. This probably won’t work on the youth because too many of them are too compassionate. It might work on my generation and older, though. I’m keeping an ear out during October GC.

The thing that worries me is the reception by Mormon LGBT youth, most of whom are in the closet. They don’t need more incentives to learn self-disgust to try to shame themselves into being someone else.

Someone on another forum suggested organizing a walk-out. I like that idea.

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hawkgrrrl wrote:

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The policy doesn’t just stink because of homophobia, it also stinks because it potentially affects numerous heterosexuals – whether children or spouses.

From the TR interview: “Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow men?” Unless you are gay in which case we hope you just lie to everyone and marry heterosexually anyway.

That is very true.

However, I do think there are a large group of people out there who are bisexual, like my ex. Some lean very heavily in one direction, and I do think that there are homosexuals (primarily) who can find the right partner of the opposite sex and heterosexuals who may be completely disinterested in homosexuality apart from a very rare or exceptional case.

Then there are those who have been “gay for pay”, gays who father children and those who experimented (not keen on that term) in their youth. It’s all very complicated. Some argue we’re all bisexual. Not so sure about that.

When a man is young (not wishing to go into too much detail here)… well, let’s just say, it’s easier for them to consummate a marriage with a wider range of people… maybe with the eyes shut or the mind on other things in some cases. When men are older they develop certain issues – even with those they love sometimes. With lesbian leaning women, the physical effects are less obvious.

Some people think it is wrong for gays to enter heterosexual marriage, and there is a strong argument that way but on occasion it has worked. There are various reasons for this – I outline some of them above, but also because marriage isn’t exclusively about sex. I would argue that companionship and partnership is a bigger part of it than the bedroom. If a person is attracted to the same gender and still active in pursuing that interest, or falls for someone in that regard, that’s a huge problem.

On a different note –

For a heterosexual person, there are challenges in being involved with a gay/bi person. The most obvious is paranoia. When I have been involved with a hetero woman, i have worried about her and other men. With a bisexual, then the number of potential rivals is doubled. And if someone appears to be interested in their own gender, then part of you begins to wonder if they were ever attracted to you in the first place or could be. No one wants to express these ideas because they’re un-pc. I suppose gays go through the same with bisexual partners or ones who are new to homosexual relationships.

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SamBee wrote:

Some people think it is wrong for gays to enter heterosexual marriage, and there is a strong argument that way but on occasion it has worked. There are various reasons for this – I outline some of them above, but also because marriage isn’t exclusively about sex. I would argue that companionship and partnership is a bigger part of it than the bedroom.

I cannot remember the names but I do remember the circumstance of a Mormon couple of bloggers that were pretty public about being in a mixed orientation marriage (He was gay, she was hetero). In some ways they became the “poster child” for this type of “solution.” Ultimately it did not work and they divorced. One of the things that interested me was that the woman could sense that her husband was not physically attracted to her and over time it made her internalize that she was unattractive. Anyway they divorced so that each could pursue relationships with partners that they were each attracted to (and partners that would be attracted to them). I believe they were going to build side by side houses to continue to co-parent their children. I guess the moral of the story is that at least sometimes MoM (mixed orientation marriages) do not work despite the tremendous love and persistent work, effort, sweat, and tears of the participants.

I suppose under the PoX the children of this couple would not be eligible for baptism or additional ordinances until they turn 18 and disavow their fathers relationship/marriage.

[Anonymous]

I assume this is what Roy is referring to. Turning a Unicorn into a Bat

It is heartbreaking and I know someone in almost the same situation.

[Anonymous]

Yes, Thank you LH.

It was the Weed family I was refering to but could not remember the name.

[Anonymous]

The part I don’t get is why we have to “wrestle to understand the Lord’s will in [this] matter”. I am growing more and more disilluisioned with how incredibly HARD it is to get God to talk to you. It was easier when I was a teenager, but as I get older, it’s nearly impossible — even when I was a traditional believer. It is a contributor to my lack of testimony. And it encourages me just to go forth in my own judgment and understanding. It leads top frustration, so, to ease such frustration, I just do what I think is best.

You would also think that if these 15 men have risen to the point of being an Apostle or Prophet, that the communication lines might have fewer dropped calls and clearer reception???

Anyway. This claim to revelation, while nice on the surface, also causes problems — like locking our leaders into paths that are hard to justify (plural marriage, blacks and the priesthood) for the long term, misguided direction, squelching original thought. Original thought which eventually proves to be the mind and will of God, so to speak, at later times. So if you have an idea about how to improve things, if someone, somewhere decides it was revelation (even if it wasn’t), you aren’t taken seriously and may even be called out for being misguided, disloyal, or even apostate.

Here are a few things I’ve been slapped for saying.

1. Combining priesthood quorums.

2. Being called Mormons rather than another term.

3. Historical priesthood ban

4. Plural marriage

5. Inappropriate ways of reporting success in home teaching.

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