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Ray wrote:
I know that the culture of the Church in the past hasn’t supported that advice, but it was said more than once that organizational presidencies in the Church need to be empowered to seek and act on their own inspiration for their own stewardships – that they need to “ask less” and “do more”. It also was said that the Bishop (and everyone else) needs to realize that the Bishop will not receive all the revelation for the ward – that all who have official responsibilities within the ward may receive revelation for their organizations (and families, in the case of parents). Again, a statement that, in some important ways, we need to ask less and do more.
I agree, Ray, and I also think this training is for the Bishops as much as for the organizational presidencies…bishops need to let others do more and then criticize less. The culture can change when people feel they can act for themselves, but if the bishop feels they have keys to making decisions and that equates to all members coming to them for decisions, then they will feel the over-burden of a ward with people who don’t want to think for themselves.
Heber13 wrote:I agree, Ray, and I also think this training is for the Bishops as much as for the organizational presidencies…bishops need to let others do more and then criticize less. The culture can change when people feel they can act for themselves,
True – but the people and the local leaders HAVE to listen and do what they are being told to do if any change is ever going to happen. Example, I gave a lesson months ago dealing with BKP talk on Priesthood. The SP was in the room, and when I read BKP story about how he would have ordained the father if need be so he could ordain his son, the SP said, and I QUOTE, “Well, BKP can do that because he is an apostle. I’m not an apostle so I wouldn’t do it.”
I wanted to scream!
So is this what SP and Bishops are going to say and think with the new advice in the CHI? I’m afraid more will “play it safe” rather than the way most of us interpret what the brethren aresaying, and they’ll be much more conservative than most of us on this board would be.
Cwald, Boy, do I know what you mean by wanting to scream! That’s exactly what I was told when the bishop announced in SM no outside soursces for lessons. I mentioned to the bishop and his why how GA’s do it all the time in GC and they said, “Well, they are prophets and apostles and know what is appropriate and not appropriate to say. I was so upset and told them then the church should do away with the 13th article of faith. And to have the nerve to tell me that the GA’s are smarter and better than the average member is so insulting. Yeah, cwald, I’ve heard that reasoning – but all I can say is that the direction for personal inspiration and revelation is being pushed downward in the Church. That is a wonderful and terrible thing at the same time – as much with those local leaders who abuse it as with those who neglect it. Paradoxes really suck sometimes, but I’d rather have them than not.
cwald wrote:I QUOTE, “Well, BKP can do that because he is an apostle. I’m not an apostle so I wouldn’t do it.”
I wanted to scream!
So is this what SP and Bishops are going to say and think with the new advice in the CHI? I’m afraid more will “play it safe” rather than the way most of us interpret what the brethren aresaying, and they’ll be much more conservative than most of us on this board would be.
Yes, that is true, they will play it safe. But for me, it is a good thing to have the quotes from the apostles to build my beliefs on, and although I may disagree with the interpretations of bishops or local leaders, and I don’t feel it is my place to take them on or challenge their authority, I like having room for my own interpretation to believe what I believe, even as I sustain my local leaders.
SilentDawning wrote:The apparent strong discouragement of vasectomy isn’t really something I feel great about.
Erm, I’m all too happy about it. It is a dangerous thing (I knew someone who nearly died from one) and nearly always encouraged by the female, not the male. No thanks… no man should be forced to go through this, since it is very difficult to reverse and can have serious repecussions.
Keyhole castration… no thanks…
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