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SamBee wrote:
Also why is Satan English?
I’m surprised you have to ask
To anyone who has seen it, does Eve have more of an active role? I mean, after she is chastised, does she talk again, or is all the dialog and acting behavior the same? I don’t really care if it is just better cinematography, I’m hoping they made some actual changes to how things are presented and I guess mostly about Eve or women in general. journeygirl wrote:To anyone who has seen it, does Eve have more of an active role? I mean, after she is chastised, does she talk again, or is all the dialog and acting behavior the same? I don’t really care if it is just better cinematography, I’m hoping they made some actual changes to how things are presented and I guess mostly about Eve or women in general.
No change at all in the script. Perhaps a missed opportunity.
Having said that, I’ve read on some other forums that the whole eating the apple sequence is better done. Apparently it is more a portrayal of her recognising the positive decision she is making – a more active and independent choice to take the next step in the plan. Adam’s willingness to join her in that process, some have said, is about his loyalty to her and recognition that she has made a positive choice.
mackay11 wrote:SamBee wrote:Also why is Satan English?
I’m surprised you have to ask
The joke is Satan is the most rounded character from a dramatic POV.
We all know movie baddies are always English, except when they’re Muslim Arabs, Koreans, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Colombian, Vietnamese, German, American, French or Sicilian, right?
Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: don’t go in against a Sicilian when the fall of man is on the line! Reflexzero wrote:Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: don’t go in against a Sicilian when the fall of man is on the line!
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Love it, reflexzero. Since I take it all symbolically, it doesn’t matter to me how some of the characters are portrayed. I like the idea of Lucifer looking just like the rest of us . . . but a Sith Lord would be cool.
On the subject of dramas, and given the article I’m writing is getting far longer than planned, here’s something from Nibley: Quote:
The next room is the Garden of Eden, the scene of the greatest primal drama of them all. Now it becomes even plainer that the whole thing is a stage set; everything has been properly set up and we are ready for the play to begin.Where is the stage? The room itself is the stage; it is an auditorium filled with seats for everybody, but the audience is part of the play. They are all actors, each in the imaginary role of Adam or Eve. Each individual, in fact, who is not visiting the temple for the first time, has taken the name and is playing the part of another person; he speaks for him, thinks for him (it is all by proxy), and that makes us all actors, role-playing. But this is no “insubstantial pageant faded,” which “leave
not a rack behind.”53The Lord left his peace and blessing when he departed after the drama of the last supper. For it was a drama too: He explained to the apostles that they were to think thereafter of the wine and the bread as something far more than wine and bread, and to think of him as if he were present. He was teaching them as Jeremiah taught the people when he went around armed with a lamp like Diogenes, staging a like “mystery,” for the Bible calls it a mystery. The “mysteries of the kingdom of heaven” are things understood only by those who have been initiated and taught (Matthew 13:11).
One of the oldest Egyptian ritual plays, the so-called Ramesseum Drama (see fig. 2), is careful to explain to the audience that each of the properties represents something else—the carnelian stones are blood, the green stones are bread, etc.
Yes, the temple is a theater, and no one directs it so well as Abraham. He gives us the creation story and the plan of salvation in a privileged personal showing. http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=21&chapid=8
It’s a symbolic play and we are players in it. It’s not a documentary.
mackay11 wrote:No change at all in the script. Perhaps a missed opportunity.
Oh, too bad.
:yawn: But I guess that is good that they make Eve and Adam seem more purposeful as you said. Still don’t know if it’s enough to get me to go back!Kumahito wrote:It would also totally freak out the TBMs when Satan refers to his/her apron and says “It’s an emblem of my power, and priesthoods.” Man, they’d lose it.
😈 Yeah, women don’t even get Satan’s priesthood.
cwald wrote:Reflexzero wrote:Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: don’t go in against a Sicilian when the fall of man is on the line!
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Lucifer, did you give them the fruit?
Eh, forget abadit!
Lucifer?
Just taking care of business, like I did on other worlds, capeesh?
On thy belly shalt thou go.
Eh, I take the fifth!
SamBee wrote:cwald wrote:Reflexzero wrote:Never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this: don’t go in against a Sicilian when the fall of man is on the line!
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Lucifer, did you give them the fruit?
Eh, forget abadit!
Lucifer?
Just taking care of business, like I did on other worlds, capeesh?
On thy belly shalt thou go.
Eh, I take the fifth!
Even better.
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I know this topic is several months old, but I finally saw the new movie and just wanted to give my take on it. (Hadn’t wanted to go but got trapped into going by my visiting teachers. It was an okay experience. Mostly because one of my visiting teachers whispered comments a lot through it all 😆 )The video looks better, sure. It seemed to follow the older versions very closely though, just with more modern images. The part I was hoping would make me feel better was the portrayal of Eve. She was more emotional, but it came across to me as her being weaker. It seemed more like she was tricked into eating the fruit, and then Adam had to fix her problem for her. Later, it seemed like she was leaning her head on him more and seeming more vulnerable than previous Eves. I still cringed and felt really bad about all the sexist parts, and the silence of Eve after she is put “below” Adam. I realized that there are 7 men in the video and only one woman. And she was only there for Adam’s sake (I’m just saying that based on the dialog).
So in sum, it didn’t change my feelings about the temple at all. I still left with the overall feeling like I’m something less than men according to my church (hopefully not my God). At least now I can tell people I have seen the new video when they ask (keeps happening! it was pretty awkward). And I can not go again for another 3 years!
I saw it for the first time on Tuesday. I tend to struggle with melodrama, and this one was more dramatic in lots of spots than the older one, but it worked for me. I liked that there was more real emotion, and the emotion fit the circumstances and situations. The other one seemed more stilted than this one.
None of the issues I would like to have addressed were addressed, but I do like this one better than the last one.
I love the nature/landscape footage + drawings in the Old ‘Un. However Kolob looks like a Yuppie’s jacuzzi, and Jehovah + Elohim look like Kenny Rogers and an albino Kris Kristofferson. Hope the decor has, erm, changed from coral bath tiles.
Any non-members reading this… trust me, you wouldn’t understand, but
it’s not as weird as it sounds.
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