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July 3, 2019 at 5:00 pm #336515
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GuestThinking about this final tagline also has me remembering something that President Hinkley was fond of saying. “Our position is simply this, we say, you bring all the good that you have, wherever you have acquired it, and see if we may add to it.” I am sure that President Hinkley meant it to be comforting. We are not interested in removing or correcting any of the good that you may already have. We only wish to contribute more good on top of what you now hold. Not a bad message. However there is the implication that whatever good you may have acquired from other sources – We already have that good and more.
In that context, “You’ll help us become a better church” is pretty refreshing. Perhaps you have something unique to contribute that we do not already have. Perhaps you are not an interchangeable cog in a machine of cogs – just another soldier or number for the glory of the attendance roster. Perhaps you are an instrument in a divine orchestra.
July 4, 2019 at 2:09 am #336516Anonymous
GuestFwiw, the last two wards I have attended have been reasonably diverse. Not as diverse a source I would like, but reasonably diverse – and accepting (welcoming) of diversity. August 6, 2019 at 6:43 pm #336517Anonymous
GuestI think in some ways the church made me a better person, but I can not think of a way I made the church better Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
August 6, 2019 at 7:57 pm #336518Anonymous
GuestI have mixed reactions to this. – I agree with nibbler that the church is tougher on its members and less welcome to the fringe members than it is welcoming to converts.
– I do think the church is mostly a positive force for converts in their lives, but there can be an eventual diminishing return, and of course, they were attracted to it because it already resonated on some level (it matched or spoke to their own good desires).
The core problem is that it’s one prescription for glasses, and it really does improve things for people who need that specific prescription (for others, not so much), but in time, your prescription changes, and you outgrow the prescription you used to need, or you need progressive lenses, or you develop astigmatism. But if you are born into the church, it may not fit you at all except for the fact that you were raised that way.
It also can erode faith in God for many because once you buy the “one true church” and “all others are an abomination” line, if you have doubts or questions after that, you are going to doubt EVERYTHING religious: God, Jesus, you name it. After all, every other church wasn’t ever an alternative. It was an abomination!
Ultimately, I think the correlation effort went further than just the curriculum and budgetary oversight. The church has a very narrow program for human development, and you either fit the mold they are pushing you into, or you are the problem. That just doesn’t work for everyone long term. Converts choose it. Those born into it don’t.
I do agree that converts make the church better, but really just at the local level. They only make the church (as a whole) better in terms of increasing the numbers, kind of like when the Borg assimilate a planet.
December 18, 2019 at 2:42 am #336519Anonymous
Guest:clap: I agree with a lot of what you stated here. The come worship with us for Christmas (Sunday before Christmas)infomercials are terrible since other local churches generally go all out on Christmas services. Our ward is barely mustering up a choir, and we are not ready in the least. I know members in my area that go to midnight mass since the music is spectacular. -
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