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I went to Argentina in the late 70s and my mission was nothing like what described, We never knocked door, not once and we ate wonderful food. Sure it was hard at times and I got a little home sick, and we did teach some things that I don’t believe today but we had a lot of fun and I worked hard and was fairly obedient. I had two son that went to Argentina and one to mexico and I think that their mission was different than mine but I think that they are glad that they went. None of us were concerned about making AP or ZL and all of us are kind of easy going. I see the elders in my ward and they do seem like they have a lot more rules than we do. I’m glad I went when I did. “God’s Army” was an excellent movie, but that is largely because (legitimate) stereotypes were used obviously to show the incredibly wide range of personalities and experiences a missionary might experience on a mission. I don’t like portrayals of statistical possibilities as the universally unavoidable or even likely norm.
The “white handbook” definitely keeps growing in length and specificity… I always considered it more of a book of guidelines though. 
Also, it seemed to me the mission was really good at generating faith crises in an environment where leaving the church over them was incredibly hard….
wuwei wrote:…Also, it seemed to me the mission was really good at generating faith crises in an environment where leaving the church over them was incredibly hard….
Indeed. I had my first real crisis in the mission. Hpwever the mission is a horrible place to work through it. The cogDis was too much. So I threw a sheet over my falling shelf pieces and forgot about it for 8 years…
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eman wrote:wuwei wrote:…Also, it seemed to me the mission was really good at generating sheetsfaith crises in an environment where leaving the church over them was incredibly hard….
Indeed. I had my first real crisis in the mission. Hpwever the mission is a horrible place to work through it. The cogDis was too much. So I threw a sheet over my falling shelf pieces and forgot about it for 8 years…
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Isn’t that the church’s prescription for faith crises though? I think they hope you throw enough sheets over it that you never find it again.
church0333 wrote:I went to Argentina in the late 70s and my mission was nothing like what described, We never knocked door, not once and we ate wonderful food. Sure it was hard at times and I got a little home sick, and we did teach some things that I don’t believe today but we had a lot of fun and I worked hard and was fairly obedient. I had two son that went to Argentina and one to mexico and I think that their mission was different than mine but I think that they are glad that they went. None of us were concerned about making AP or ZL and all of us are kind of easy going. I see the elders in my ward and they do seem like they have a lot more rules than we do. I’m glad I went when I did.
Thanks for this. I agree. I had some tough times but, in balance, I loved my mission. I’m grateful for it and I hope my boys go on one.
I think sometimes mission stories are like birth stories. They can become a competition for who had the worst of it.
Old-Timer wrote:It’s the links that concern me the most.
Exactly, it raises issues, doesn’t answer them properly and then mostly provides links to sites that will provide more criticism without a full balanced perspective.
I don’t care much for the accusations of “wolf” in sheep clothing. Not at all…its a sensitive subject…and I think we should be careful using the term without understanding the motivation of those involved.
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cwald wrote:I don’t care much for the accusations of “wolf” in sheep clothing.
Not at all…its a sensitive subject…and I think we should be careful using the term without understanding the motivation of those involved.
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It’s a fair point. I don’t want people to judge my intentions and lable me. I was accused of having an agenda and preaching when I raised a minor doubt with an in-law. I told him where to get off, I had no agenda.
mackay11 wrote:cwald wrote:I don’t care much for the accusations of “wolf” in sheep clothing.
Not at all…its a sensitive subject…and I think we should be careful using the term without understanding the motivation of those involved.
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It’s a fair point. I don’t want people to judge my intentions and lable me. I was accused of having an agenda and preaching when I raised a minor doubt with an in-law. I told him where to get off, I had no agenda.
Yeah. I’ve been there. Boy have I ever been there.
I looked it over and don’t see a problem at all. We’re here for a short time and I, for one, want all the information I can get. I don’t think there is a problem with websites putting a negative spin on our history. Just the facts take care of that
😆 For goodness sakes folks, we live in an age where the most famous recent public proclamation to the world by our “prophet” was “one, two, three…let’s go shopping”. We probably need to develop the ability to laugh at ourselves here.
Just sayin….
Bruce in Montana wrote:I looked it over and don’t see a problem at all. We’re here for a short time and I, for one, want all the information I can get.
I don’t think there is a problem with websites putting a negative spin on our history. Just the facts take care of that
😆 For goodness sakes folks, we live in an age where the most famous recent public proclamation to the world by our “prophet” was “one, two, three…let’s go shopping”. We probably need to develop the ability to laugh at ourselves here.
Just sayin….
I think no-one outside the bloggernacle has any idea of the ‘let’s go shopping’ moment (thankfully). I hadn’t even heard of City Creek until I was full swing into my ‘crisis.’
We’ll see where the website goes. The fact that it raises issues and then links to websites with a more negative spin (MormonThink’s current editor main objective is to expose the church as a fraud, he’s said as much on RfM) makes me wary.
I’m also concerned by apparent basic errors – most of which paint a negative picture.
For example, Joseph Smith did not marry children. Just because the legal marriage age today is 16, doesn’t mean it applies 150 years ago. So yes, discuss his polygamy, but why put it in the loaded terms of ‘Joseph Smith married kids.’
Until recently in Kansas for example there was no minimum age for marriage if the minor had parental or judicial approval. 13 and 14 girls were getting married legally.
I’m all for a balanced environment for discovering the ‘thorny issues’ is people are interested. I struggle to see how one can be created. I think Mormon Stories and Richard Bushmann are both approaching this. But they both have a slight bias as their departure point. I guess we all do.
I think it’s pretty obvious that the site is not meant to be “faithful” or “faith promoting” or “positive” when it comes to the LDS Church. It’s if trying to present itself as such or attract young memebrs and then disillusion them, it’s disingenuous and dishonest.
To me, that’s the bottom line.
Pretty negative… you might not like your companion or he could be gay? Really!!! they’re all celibate anyway I’m a mission dodger anyway – kind of. I had my reasons.
MormonThink was mentioned as anti…the guy admin is teh English SP who had his calling and election made sure right? Supposedly he still is a member..
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