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I love our religion and it’s uniqueness, especially when we work to fit our beliefs around “the worlds” norms. This was today’s winner for me. Read, enjoy. I am off to get my chilled cappuccino. http://www.ldsliving.com/Recent-Studies-from-WHO-Back-Up-One-of-the-Most-Contested-Parts-of-the-Word-of-Wisdom/s/82418 ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.ldsliving.com/Recent-Studies-from-WHO-Back-Up-One-of-the-Most-Contested-Parts-of-the-Word-of-Wisdom/s/82418 Don’t the Chinese drink hot tea at essentially every meal? I wonder if there is a dis-proportionally high rate of esophageal cancer among cultures that do? I’d be interesting to check but I’m not sure there is any evidence to support that. so drinking liquids at way above scalding temperatures (scalding = about 120 Fahrenheit) can cause damage? :eh: Good to know.
I posted this for lemonade drinking purposes. Summer is coming and I don’t want you to get cancer from your hot lemonade. It’s because I care. 🙄 I’ve read similar studies before – that very hot stuff is bad for us. Maybe that part of the WoW is literal and really meant HOT drinks. That tobacco is not for the body or the belly and is not good for man is well established now. Maybe there is hope our modern prophets will come to understand that the Lord was not talking about specific hot drinks (coming from someone who really doesn’t like coffee anyway). BY has been known to be wrong, after all. (And the idea of hot lemonade sounds as horrible to me as the idea of iced coffee
:eh: )I love the way D&C 89 actually is worded; not so much how it has come to be defined. I think it illustrates perfectly the problem with interpreting inspiration in order to establish policy. Quote:“How can we protect our people from ‘hot drinks’? We can’t measure the temperature of everything they drink.”
“Well, what are the hot drinks people generally drink?”
“Coffee and tea”
“Then we ought to prohibit those drinks.”
“Makes sense.”
Having said that, part of staying LDS is recognizing that nothing about the current definition is harmful as a general implementation. There is no benefit from ignoring the Word of Wisdom that can’t be gained from something that is not prohibited. Thus, we (this site) can discuss the issues surrounding it without insisting that it’s better to ignore or condemn it.
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I love the way D&C 89 actually is worded; not so much how it has come to be defined.Me, too. We could reconnect humans if we just stuck to the direct wording in section 89. No add-on’s at all.
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(And the idea of hot lemonade sounds as horrible to me as the idea of iced coffee:eh: )Amen.
DarkJedi wrote:(And the idea of hot lemonade sounds as horrible to me as the idea of iced coffee )
As happenstance would have it, I just happen to be enjoying a hot lemonade. Let me explain how that came to pass. My doctor says that my blood cholesterol is starting to get high. Part of her recommendation is to limit my beverages to either coffee, tea, or water. I did not like the idea of drinking just water. I asked about flavored zero calorie water and she said that I should avoid anything that tastes sweet.
Anyway. I found that if I mixed 1/4 cup lemonade drink with 3/4 cup hot water I end up with a drink that is warming and tasty. This is the compromise that I have made between my doctor’s recommendations and the practices of my faith.
:crazy: Mom3, thanks for sharing that. I think I’ve read that article before. Sometimes I wonder about eating hot soup. I had a TR interview with the SP last Sunday. We talked about wearing garments. I said that I don’t wear them when I go to the Gym or to a Dr’s appointment. He said that he does the same.
Quote:It’s between you & God.
There are times like this when it seems that we are becoming a Church of Pharisees. This is an issue that the Pharisees would argue in the NT.
What happened to:
Quote:I teach them correct principles & they govern themselves.
The WoW is a great teaching. It is unique to other religions & faith. In many ways, it was ahead of its time. But, we carry it to the extreme.I would love to see a church leader come to a church meeting with a Starbuck’s cup & say:
Quote:It’s ok, the temp is below 140 degrees.
Minyan Man – You just made my day :clap: :clap: :clap: Quote:The WoW is a great teaching. It is unique to other religions & faith. In many ways, it was ahead of its time. But, we carry it to the extreme.
I would love to see a church leader come to a church meeting with a Starbuck’s cup & say:
It’s ok, the temp is below 140 degrees.
mom3 wrote:Minyan Man – You just made my day
:clap: :clap: :clap: Quote:The WoW is a great teaching. It is unique to other religions & faith. In many ways, it was ahead of its time. But, we carry it to the extreme.
I would love to see a church leader come to a church meeting with a Starbuck’s cup & say:
It’s ok, the temp is below 140 degrees.
I remember the moment when I realized, Okay, this is nuts. A very sincere young mother in RS said it was important to teach our kids to avoid even the appearance of evil, so… no Starbucks hot chocolate because what could people think when they see that cup.Evil.
Really???I say that, but I don’t discount the huge blessing the Word of Wisdom has been in my life. My convert parents are children of severe alcoholics and their abstinence broke the cycle. (For me. Some siblings still chose to drink.)
That verse about avoiding the appearance of evil is one of the most misapplied verses in our entire scriptural canon. I might write a post about it – since I’ve written about practically everything else.
😆 Ann wrote:A very sincere young mother in RS said it was important to teach our kids to avoid even the appearance of evil, so… no Starbucks hot chocolate because what could people think when they see that cup.
Evil.
Really???It sounds like someone’s personal version of L. Tom Perry’s milk story.
I too am grateful for my upbringing and some of the biggies with the WOW (refraining from Alcohol and drugs). That has been a blessing in my life and I do think I would have had an issue with them. I don’t know if I would have quickly “gotten it out of my system” or if I could have caused bigger issues. Now that I am well into my 50’s the desire for either isn’t very strong. In fact the drugs I like most are anti-inflammatory pills 
I do find it odd how many members are hard-nosed on (parts of) the WOW, but discount modern science. I am not talking about the latest fad diet. But it is clear that regular exercise (even just walking a few miles a day), not over-eating all the time, fresh fruits and vegetables and don’t go too much on highly processed foods have been consistent advice now for decades and most every study re-confirms that.
I try hard not to look down on those with weight issues. I have a part of my family that is morbidly obese and my heart goes out to them and I am fairly certain that I will be attending several of my older sibling’s funerals as they kept the emphasized parts of the WOW, but didn’t take care of their bodies much at all. Several are now sliding down the slippery slope of compounding medical issues to the point where I don’t think they are even able to work themselves out of their situation. So sad to see.
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