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I agree that Mormonism seems to be about on par with the obedience of the JW’s and Muslims. I also love brad Wilcox’s talk on grace. It is not really all that different then what is taught in other Christian churches. Grace pays the debt. It is our safety net. No more fear of Hell or Damnation. Our debt is paid. What are we going to do with our new found freedom? How high will we climb? How will we make our mark and live life “more abundantly”. One local pastor I know compared it to going to an amusement park. Jesus paid the price of admission, now what are you going to do? Some people just sit inside the doors and say “I made it inside” that is all that matters. While others can’t wait to ride all the rides. Bro. Wilcox compares it to Jesus paying for piano lessons that we dutifully practice in order to show gratitude. The general concept is the same.
Beefster wrote:
(For background, the talk essentially breaks down missionaries into 4 groups: type 1 is disobedient and gets sent home (10% ish), type 2 is disobedient but stays on the mission (30% ish), type 3 is obedient but is unchanged by the mission (69.5%), type 4 is exactly obedient and consecrated and carries the mission home with him (0.5%))
In my mission the AP’s did a mission wide lesson on this. Then they taught how we can make covenants outside of saving ordinances. Then they challenges us all to make a covenant to become the fourth missionary and sign a big card to the MP attesting the fact. I slipped out the back but then realized that I had forgotten my gloves and had to go back. The MP’s cornered me and asked why I didn’t sign the card. I told them that according to their own information, 99% of the missionaries would break the covenant and I took my covenants too seriously for that. They told me that they needed to get the signatures of all the missionaries on the card but in my case the signature would just indicate my determination to do my best. I signed under those conditions.
:crazy: If you correlate “Obedience” to Religious Commitment, I’d say these statistics would support Beefster’s feelings on the matter that it is higher for Mormons than others…interestingly…college education doesn’t negatively impact Mormon commitment (actually increases it), whereas with other religions it is almost the same whether HS or College…more education is about the same in commitment/obedience. The
same study[attachment=0]PewResearch2017Commitment.JPG[/attachment] I think there may be more correlation between Liberals and Conservatives than among religions themselves. Of course, Mormons may be more conservative and that plays into it as well. [attachment=0]conservatives-prioritize-teaching-faith-obedience-liberals-value-tolerance.png[/attachment] The book proposed that some people moral foundations are in different proportions. Some people really feel fairness to all is really a big deal and the stability that comes from having some strong guiding authority isn’t so much. And others are flip-flopped. Not that some have 100% in one area and none in another, just the proportions are different. So some people (even whole societies) revere individualism more than others and some are more focused on the collective good instead of each individual. LookingHard wrote:
Not that some have 100% in one area and none in another, just the proportions are different.
That makes sense.
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