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Old-Timer wrote:
Fwiw, I don’t know anyone here who has only echoed the positive. To me, that would be disingenuous and wrong.
My own tally was:
Good – exceptional talks = 10
Bad / difficult talks = 5 (I miscounted originally.)
Neutral (neither good nor bad but middle of the road) = 10
If I miscounted, that is close.
If possible and time permitting, would you put up a list?cwald, I think I missed that one. When I was going through my faith crisis I didn’t watch much conference. By sheer coincidence I just happened to watch the session where Uchtdorf gave his “Come, Join With Us” talk. That one reached up and grabbed me out of my slumber, I found staylds, and the result is history I guess.
So long story just to say, I missed the October 2010 conference.
Quote:If possible and time permitting, would you put up a list?
Just my own list, not necessarily in ranked order within categories:
Good – exceptional talks = 10
Pres. Packer [excellent]
Sister Esplin [very good]
Elder Wong [good, especially that healing comes through Jesus]
Pres. Uchtdorf [good]
Elder Oaks [excellent, including implication that gay marriage will be the law of the land]
Elder Holland [stunning]
Elder Hamula [very good, especially extending symbolism of water for blood to include blood of the trial and the cross]
Pres. Monson [exceptional]
Elder Martinez [really good focus on love]
Elder Scott [quite balanced, with admission that correct decisions don’t lead to easy lives]
Bad / difficult talks = 5
Elder Robbins [actual principles weren’t bad, but unspoken connotations were unmistakeable, even for someone like me who doesn’t like to hold people to things they don’t actually say]
Elder Anderson [very orthodox treatment of Joseph Smith that minimized real, valid concerns]
Sister McConkie [very traditional treatment of following the prophet, with strong hints of infallibility]
Elder Ballard [too simplistic regarding faith crises]
Pres. Eyring
Neutral (neither good nor bad but middle of the road) = 10
Elder Christofferson
Elder Hales [This one was borderline for this category and the top one. I really don’t know why it ended up here. I might change my mind later if I try again.]
Elder Klebingat [Excellent for traditional members and not bad for everyone here, but nothing special]
Elder Govarret [Fairly standard; would have put it in the top group, but not to the level of the ones on that list]
Elder Perry [Okay]
Elder Nelson [mostly because I saw it as an open admission that top leaders get incapacitated occasionally; I know others had problems with it focusing so much on prophets as the second of three straight, but I liked the honest treatment of prophetic illness issues.]
Elder Goday
Elder (Allan) Packer [Good focus, funny opening story, almost put on top list]
Elder Kacher [Personal and touching, but could be read negatively by people experiencing faith crises.]
Elder Bednar [Nothing deeply moving for me, but nothing highly offensive or objectionable either.]
Just to make it clear, I didn’t take notes during the General Men’s Session, so those talks aren’t in the groups above. Also, some of the rankings above might change when I have a chance to read the talks. As hard as I try to listen to every word prior to reaching conclusions, I often miss things live.
I liked both of the Seventies that were just called in April (Martinez and Kacher). I guess maybe I’ll listen to Kacher again to see the negative point of view. Compared to Ballard’s feeble and insincere attempt at addressing those who doubt, it was definitely better. I don’t think Elder Ballard was insincere; I think he really just doesn’t understand faith crises. It is what it is. Quote:I guess maybe I’ll listen to Kacher again to see the negative point of view.
I wouldn’t, if you didn’t pick it up when you heard it live. Why look for something negative that just isn’t there for you? There is enough that is naturally negative for each of us without manufacturing more.
Now to watch baseball. Go Royals! 
:clap: :thumbup: Old-Timer wrote:I don’t think Elder Ballard was insincere; I think he really just doesn’t understand faith crises. It is what it is.
Quote:I guess maybe I’ll listen to Kacher again to see the negative point of view.
I wouldn’t, if you didn’t pick it up when you heard it live. Why look for something negative that just isn’t there for you? There is enough that is naturally negative for each of us without manufacturing more.
I just thought that because Elder Ballard has made a point of telling us twice in the last few months that he doesn’t live in a bubble that he might have a better understanding of faith crises.
Quote:After listening and assessing some of the harder to swallow talks – I am ready to announce that I will be in the eternal kingdom of Weeping, Wailing, and Gnashing of teeth. I’d hoped to make a higher one, but it sounds like I missed the boat. Bummer for me. Your welcome to visit if you like. I believe angels from the higher kingdoms are able to do that. I’ll keep the light on.
I’ll be there with you, mom3.
Thanks for the list, Ray. I don’t watch GC because it causes me more pain so the list is very helpful. I can pick and choose carefully
🙂 I didn’t catch it all so I really appreciate the lists and suggestions so I can go back and watch the good ones. I did see President Monson’s and just want to echo that it was a great one. After all of those talks about following the prophet I was pretty interested to see what he was actually going to say. A message about following Jesus. How simple. I thought it was just a universal Christian message any Christian would have enjoyed. So if that is what our prophet is teaching, then I am okay to follow him. I hope when they say follow the prophet they don’t mean all the 15 though. . . 
I really liked Uchtdorf’s talk in the priesthood meeting. I hope it will combat some of the judgmentalism we see in the church. Here is a summary of all the talks—maybe you will find it useful:
I didn’t get to watch all of conference yet. I watched the priesthood session online. I loved most of it, except for Elder Cook’s talk. He made some good points, but maybe it was his tone. I could be wrong, but it just seemed like obedience for obedience sake. Thanks, Ray, for the list. I missed Packer’s talk, so I’m curious now to hear it, especially since I have very…mixed feelings about him in general, many of which existed pre-FC for me. Really glad that the talks I did manage to catch included Holland’s and Monson’s. Looks like I’ll have a lot to listen to on the way to and from work as soon as they get them up on the Android app. 
bridget_night wrote:Just read that Br. Oaks has a gay grandson….wonder if that will start him rethinking things.
Where did you hear that?
Daeruin wrote:I really liked Uchtdorf’s talk in the priesthood meeting. I hope it will combat some of the judgmentalism we see in the church.
I liked it too.
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