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At the beginning of Elder Ballard’s talk, he mentioned that the leaders were mortal. He said it in such a way that, to me, it sounded like he was giving them Demi-God status. Barely mortal. It made me laugh. nibbler wrote:TataniaAvalon wrote:I’m seriously disappointed by Pres. Uchdorft’s first talk. Maybe others here will enjoy it but I don’t. Seems like a syrup back for him
Yeah, same here.
How is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints working for you? For many it’s not. What do they do? Simplify. Do a bishop or EQP/RSP
allowsomeone to keep it simple by opting out of one of the many church programs? Is that a comfortable option we make available for people? Good points, the answer is no, the answer is obedience. Wish I didn’t have to say the Church is not working for me.
ap, that is interesting about how you heard Elder Ballard’s statement. I heard it as a direct statement to the most conservative people in the Church who claim prophets are or should be infallible in practical terms. It’s understandable we would hear it differently.
Cook: Choosing to be happy now or be happy in the afterlife is a false dichotomy. That was my translation at least. Be righteous (temple worthy) in the good times and in the bad times.
The world is scary. Secularism is scary. Families are smaller. People will be lonely in the future. I never did understand church leader’s fear of secularism. I guess the right guy isn’t getting the credit when morals are being instilled?
The marshmallow doctrine resurfaces! Always wait for more marshmallows in the future if you want to pass that test. I had another post on this subject on StayLDS a while back. Greed is somewhere in the equation. What if one marshmallow now is sufficient for our needs? Why get greedy looking for more in the future? No analogy holds up under the microscope so I’ll shut up now.
He talks about attending a Jewish Shabbat. I liked that, it gives people greater license to attend the religious services of our friends and neighbors.
Is the purpose of the sabbath to protect us from the world or is it to worship god? Okay, it can be both but we’re really focusing on the one facet in this season of the sabbath.
Lots of focus on the Sabbath day in the morning conference which I’m personally tired of. Focus on electronics and how they’re distracting us. While I don’t necessarily disagree it’s just beating a dead horse. I did enjoy hearing from so many converts or their families. I didn’t love any talks this morning but didn’t hate any either. Does anyone have any bets going on the new apostles and when they’ll be announced? I like your points DevilsAdvocate. After the first two talks I was also left with a “these guys sound like they are up against the ropes” feeling. I don’t really have a statement to point to, it was a feeling. This is where Ray tells me I only find what I’m looking for, point pre-conceded. 
DevilsAdvocate wrote:As it is, simply talking about it is not going to make much of a difference because many introverts that feel like home teaching, many of the callings, giving talks in Church, etc. are a real pain and hassle that they don’t enjoy at all will still be expected to say yes to all this or given a guilt-trip if they don’t go along with it.
Exactly how I’ve felt over the years. It’s tough for an introvert in the church.
I love ‘Beautiful Savior.’ I taught it when I was Primary chorister and got to pick the song one month. The kids really loved the visual imagery. In another thread from before the announcement, I read the following – and I hope it is correct: Quote:I am hoping (and praying) for Elder Dale Renlund to be called. He is a cardiologist who has served as an area authority and is now in the First Quorum of the Seventy (and regional presidency in Africa). If you look at his talks from conference, you can see he has a similar approach to Dieter Uchtdorf. He is loving and moderate and just what the quorum of the Twelve needs (in my opinion). If there was ever a choice to reinforce big tent Mormonism, Elder Renlund would be it.
I also like Bishop Stevenson. He always has seemed like a very compassionate person.
I would have loved a more international mix, but my initial reaction is positive for all three.
Loved Elder Holland’s talk on motherhood. I feel like it was real talk and not the sweet platitudes we normally hear. I also loved that this talk was delivered during a general session and not the women’s session. It’s something that men need to hear too. (My husband often uses my faith transition as an excuse to cast aspersions on my motherhood. Not cool, dude.) I agree that we need our mothers in this life and wished we were allowed to know our Heavenly Mother as well. I despair of becoming like Her in the eternities – bearing spirit children who are forbidden from knowing me. As a mother, that is literally the worst thing I can imagine.
I found this about Sister Renlund on Mormon Women– from an article entitled “Just Call Me Ruth”: Quote:“After being able to have only one child, Ruth Renlund became a personal injury trial lawyer. At the peak of a long and fulfilling professional life, Ruth has now become the wife of a General Authority serving in South Africa. In her interview, Ruth discusses the challenges of having an only child within Church culture.”
A liberal friend who has spent time in Africa knows Elder and Sister Renlund quite well and is ecstatic about his call to the Q12.
Are we going to get any talks not delivered in English? I loved that. Wonder if Elder Oaks will have anything to say about SSM.
ETA: wonder if this talk is in response to the big news article about the number of men leaving the church. I’m sure the top brass is going to be worried if RM’s are leaving.
Elder Hales’ talk, bless his heart he’s not looking well 😥 , reminded me of visiting grandpa at thanksgiving. Lots of grandfatherly advice.Elder Holland. Psst, it’s not Mother’s Day.
nibbler wrote:At the end of her talk she tearfully says:
Quote:In that day of reward we may feel to say to our merciful loving father, “Was that all that was required?”
I’m not sure what she meant here. On the one hand you could take it to mean “That’s it? I guess that wasn’t so bad.” On the other hand I’m worried she feels like she must earn god’s love. If so that breaks my heart. I was in the same emotional trap and it destroyed me from within. Never feeling as though I was doing enough, never feeling as though I measured up, never feeling as though I merited god’s love. I don’t see her comment as teaching people to earn their way into heaven, I see it as a reflection of her own fears. I once shared them and it pains me to see someone else suffer that way. Her comments leading into the question make me think it was the former interpretation, the comments following the question make me think it was the later (if we knew their love we’d be willing to do anything…)
I missed your summary earlier, nibbler, so even though the meeting was a week ago, I wanted to add a comment. A blogger somewhere disliked Sis. Reeves’ talk as much as I did. She wondered if, instead of, “Was that all that was required?” the question in our minds will really be, “Was that all required?”Listening to PH now. I think it’s fair to question or even criticize Joseph Smith for marrying 14 year olds behind his wife’s back. That’s not just wrong by 2015 standards, that was also wrong by 1830s standards.
Joni wrote:Listening to PH now.
I think it’s fair to question or even criticize Joseph Smith for marrying 14 year olds behind his wife’s back. That’s not just wrong by 2015 standards, that was also wrong by 1830s standards.
I agree. I commented to my son that the more information referred to by Elder Andersen is probably not a good thing. He seemed to intimate that negative info about JS only comes from critics, as if the essays don’t exist. Overall I’d say Andersen’s talk is a skip for most of us here, and I’m not crazy about Elder Bennett’s remarks either.
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