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Maybe the wives were relieved? 
See, THIS is the kind of talk about women that gets under my skin. I don’t want to be an appendage or an associate. I want to be a full, participating member in the Plan of Salvation.
Joni wrote:See, THIS is the kind of talk about women that gets under my skin.
I don’t want to be an appendage or an associate. I want to be a full, participating member in the Plan of Salvation.
I agree I’ve only been half listening but it seems like he’s putting women on a pedestal.
:sick: Oh goody. My voice may runneth over. I hope Elder Ballard is okay with this?
Wow, as I listen I am curious how these men do it. Elder Christofferson encouraged Wendy Williams Montgomery to be a leader for LGBT youth. I wonder how her message will meet with women who see it differently. Hmmm.
I like the first definition of “associate” in the dictionary: Quote:a person who shares actively in anything as a business, enterprise, or undertaking; partner; colleague; fellow worker
He also said we need women with executive ability and those who speak powerfully and forcefully.
I think there is a lot of good that can be taken from this talk, especially given what he did NOT say. I also like the fact that he gave an example of a Primary President receiving the revelation the others in the Stake Council were not getting.
He also just said wives should be full partners in their marriages.
If we focus on our history, this will be a different talk than if we focus on what it can request of our future. He isn’t putting women on a pedestal; he is saying women need to be equals like never before.
Whenever a male leader says “we need you” to women, it really underscores how much there is an “us”‘and a “them.” There are the leaders, and then there are the women. You wouldn’t have to keep reminding women that they, too, are needed if you allowed us to participate in the first place. Sure, you can tell a story about a time when a woman was listened to in ward council. The fact that it stands out to you tells me that it almost never happened.
Joni wrote:Whenever a male leader says “we need you” to women, it really underscores how much there is an “us”‘and a “them.” There are the leaders, and then there are the women.
You wouldn’t have to keep reminding women that they, too, are needed if you allowed us to participate in the first place. Sure, you can tell a story about a time when a woman was listened to in ward council. The fact that it stands out to you tells me that it almost never happened.
My wife was just released as YW president in our ward and later our bishop took her aside to thank her and to tell her that he wished he could call her as a counselor because of how she’d helped in ward council. Nobody gave my wife permission to speak up and luckily the bishop was smart enough to listen. Now back to the regularly scheduled topic.
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He also just said wives should be full partners in their marriages.
I wish we could talk a lot more about HOW to be equal partners in marriage. It’s been 20 years since the Family Proclamation, and it’s still not clear to me how equal partnership works, when my husband is presiding and I am hearkening.
We talk a LOT about the importance of marriage but there’s little practical talk about HOW.
Ouch. Time to hit mute. I want women in all leadership positions, Joni, and I agree that we are not where we need to be – but this was NOT a traditional talk about women’s role in the Church. It simply wasn’t. We must continue to work for expanded opportunities, but we must not ignore or ridicule important steps toward our desired goal.
I don’t want to derail this thread, so it might be better to start a new thread after this ends about this particular talk.
Quote:We cannot duplicate your distinct [strengths].
I forgot exactly what he said but this is more of a respect for individual attributes rather than an us and them talk. I felt good about it.
Lovely Spanish voice recounting Savior’s death. Beautiful. Apologies. I didn’t realize I was coming off as ridiculing Elder Nelson. Are we going to have any non-English talks at all this Conference? I remember there was a lot of excitement when it was first announced, but it seems to have fizzled out.
Quote:Joni wrote: Whenever a male leader says “we need you” to women, it really underscores how much there is an “us”‘and a “them.” There are the leaders, and then there are the women.
We are in a time of transition, and these are words of transition. Think back of playing “Mother May I” as a child. When given permission to take 4 large steps forward, as a player, you had the ability to make your steps very large or not. I plan to take this as permission to move women forward in very large steps. It could be a new interpretation of “Lengthen Your Stride”.
My apologies, as well. I didn’t mean to imply ridicule of him, personally.
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