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The biggest complaint I’ve seen about the new apostles is that they are all white, American, Utahns – age isn’t really a factor. I don’t think anybody expected a 30-year-old apostle. I’m glad I don’t teach Teachings For Our Time anymore. This would be a really hard talk to make into a halfway decent RS lesson.
Bednar’s talks just don’t do it for me, I guess.
I agree that it’s nice to have the perspective of older people. Keep one or two on staff. :angel: It’s also nice to have the perspective of people that are actuallyinthe current generation. Sometimes we need a boy prophet. I’ve learned through experience that aging alone does not bring wisdom. There are plenty of people that are much younger than me that are already much further along the path than I’ll ever be. It’s fine I accept that. There are also people that are my elders that have it wrong.
It comes out in the wash. Since being an apostle is a lifetime appointment we’re going to obligatorily end up with old guys at the helm. Call a boy, he’ll eventually become a man, and then become old. I suppose it’s better to call someone in their late 60s or 70s, that way there’s a higher turnover in getting “new blood” or new perspectives into the leadership positions, it beats calling someone in their 30s and being stuck (for lack of a better term) with their vision for 50+ years – and I don’t say that to criticize the direction of current leaders that have been around for forever, I’m just saying under the current model of apostolic succession calling old dudes brings about change quicker.
Elder Bednar is near the bottom of my favorite list, but I appreciate why I think he prepared this talk. I don’t know about everybody else, but this conference was a huge downer for me. It felt like people with doubts and questions were constantly being held up as an example of what not to be. Maybe I’m just feeling defensive, because of my personal state of mind this week, but I came away from this with a very sour taste in my mouth. The overall feel of the weekend had kind of a ‘believe or move along’ kind of feel for me. I don’t know. Is it just me? Did anybody else feel this way? I was hoping for more of a boost and came away feeling like I was being held under water the whole time. Me, too, Holy Cow. I am also not looking forward to the post conference outpouring that my fellow saints will engage in. As I always do I will try to scrape together enough positives to build a tiny personal platform, beyond that, I am putting this one behind me. I am praying for President Monson. As much as I would like him to stay around, I don’t want him to anymore. All of his beloved family and friends have parted this life. He left an amazing legacy of service and we as a people would do well to serve others as he did the widows, but it’s very okay, in fact I hope he can go home soon. You’re certainly not alone Holy Cow. It seems like that was the theme of the entire conference. Most talks had something about doubts, belief, being on the defensive, etc. This is another one of those conferences where it will take a few weeks to rediscover reasons to stay.
I fear we may now be in a rut. The overwhelming theme, don’t criticize, believe, stay or else. That’s not very nourishing for people on the fence. If more malnourished saints leave will the next conference be more of the same? Causing more people to be done?
I’ll come right out and say it, it was difficult finding positives this time around. I’m left thinking that I’m the most cynical guy alive (quite possible).
I’m with you guys. I’m not pulling out very many gems, even from Uchtdorf. Granted I missed some talks, but none of the ones I heard/saw pulled me in. I really liked all of the ones from the new apostles. We will wait and see if that continues past the intro talks. There probably were about 5-6 that I thought were excellent.
Holy Cow wrote:I don’t know about everybody else, but this conference was a huge downer for me. It felt like people with doubts and questions were constantly being held up as an example of what not to be. Maybe I’m just feeling defensive, because of my personal state of mind this week, but I came away from this with a very sour taste in my mouth. The overall feel of the weekend had kind of a ‘believe or move along’ kind of feel for me. I don’t know. Is it just me? Did anybody else feel this way? I was hoping for more of a boost and came away feeling like I was being held under water the whole time.
Same for me. Even DFU back peddled in my mind.LookingHard wrote:DarkJedi wrote:Other than three new apostles and the hope that at least one of them is not American, is there anything else you are hoping for this weekend? Any expectations?
I hope I can make it through without getting upset. I am no being snarky. I would like to see the change with civil then temple as an option. I come from convert parents and it hurt ME to have to have them all not be at my wedding. It certainly hurt the church’s reputation in their eyes. I only have one cousin that I can talk candidly with and he confided there was talk about how stuck-up and better than thou the Mormons are.
I failed. I missed most of the first Saturday session, and I didn’t make it through the Saturday afternoon without yelling at the screen (alone) when we were told to be careful who we take advice from and take it from the GA”s (implied). I just had to tell the TV, “And you think I feel that YOU are trusted, I don’t know you and past experience has told me that those before you often made mistakes, but were sure as could be that they were correct and following God at that time.” Today was better, but nothing I am going to go back and listen to. I am glad to hear that Sister Renland is a trial lawyer. I don’t know if that would have disqualified Elder Renland back under President Benson.Okay, good. I’m glad I’m not the only one who came away feeling that way. My father-in-law likes to send past conference talks to my wife and I that focus on the idea that we just need to have more faith, cast aside doubts, and that whole thing. This conference is going to give him stuff to send me for the next six months, until the next conference comes around. 🙄 I feel like my faith crisis has pulled me further away from many LDS-specific doctrines, but it has brought me much closer to God. I hate when they give talks that make it sound like anybody with doubts about JS, automatically has doubts with JC as well. I can have doubts about Joseph Smith and still maintain, and even build, a close relationship with Christ and God.In my opinion, talks acknowledged the issues of having doubts or being overwhelmed and exhausted, or searching for truth. There weren’t many nuggets on what to do about it other than just have faith and follow the brethren.
But perhaps it is conformation they know many are leaving or are wrestling with real issues.
Perhaps that is step 1…acknowledgement.
Step 2…hasn’t happened yet.
I guess I’m not surprised.
Holy Cow wrote:I feel like my faith crisis has pulled me further away from many LDS-specific doctrines, but
it has brought me much closer to God. Ditto and the bolded part is the best part. I actually feel my life is more in line and working on what God wants me to be doing. It still can be irritating when you would rather do a worthy service project to some needy people in the community than some church activity that it is more evidence you, “just don’t have the spirit.”
Joni wrote:I love ‘Beautiful Savior.’ I taught it when I was Primary chorister and got to pick the song one month. The kids really loved the visual imagery.
Was this sung during one of the sessions? I missed Saturday afternoon’s session. It’s my very favorite religious song.nibbler wrote:😯 I hope they let Monson leave now and get checked out by medical professionals. He was really weakening towards the end of that talk.
I thought he was going to actually pass out or collapse. I just kept wanting someone to step up to the podium and help him remain standing. He did not seem well at all to me.I felt pretty bad for him. It seemed like he was turning and look at the teleprompters too fast and got ill
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