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I’m reminded that there’s no one size fits all solution. More patience with the current path isn’t going to be the answer if the real issue is with the path itself. DarkJedi wrote:
On the surface this talk is about faith, but it’s really an “endure to the end” talk IMO. I understand why some don’t “endure” and choose to take other actions – and that comes from unrewarded faith or belief in the here and now.)
I think most talks, and maybe especially the general, but nicely-crafted ones like Pres. Uchtdorf’s, can be tilted to reveal another picture, like the 3-D bookmarks and school folders kids buy. And maybe it depends on one’s issues. I read this talk and am just fine until I tilt it. Then I think, This talk is about faith, but it’s really wanting me to lump faith in God and all the profound questions of mortality in with faith and acceptance of the Church, its leaders, its history, its literal truth claims. We end up using a talk like this – or a book like “Planted” – to talk past each other on matters of “faith.”But maybe I just need to tilt less.
Ann, I love what you said. I really get upset when I am made to feel that I don’t believe in God or have faith because I don’t believe in polygamy or all the rules that are required to get to the Celestial Kingdom or the November policy, etc.
I do believe in God. I also feel like I have more faith in Him now than ever before. It is because of my faith that I am on this crazy journey that I am on. I honestly feel like I have been directed this way. I know He helps me in so many ways in my life. I realize that I am not nearly the person I should be but I’m trying. In the church’s eyes though, unless I am following all the checkmarks, I’m doing it all wrong. If I try to follow my own path to God that doesn’t include everything they tell me it should, then I have messed up somewhere along the way.
It is so frustrating.
kate5 wrote:Ann, I love what you said.
I really get upset when I am made to feel that I don’t believe in God or have faith because I don’t believe in polygamy or all the rules that are required to get to the Celestial Kingdom or the November policy, etc.
I do believe in God. I also feel like I have more faith in Him now than ever before. It is because of my faith that I am on this crazy journey that I am on. I honestly feel like I have been directed this way. I know He helps me in so many ways in my life. I realize that I am not nearly the person I should be but I’m trying. In the church’s eyes though, unless I am following all the checkmarks, I’m doing it all wrong. If I try to follow my own path to God that doesn’t include everything they tell me it should, then I have messed up somewhere along the way.
It is so frustrating.
Sounds to me like you are doing it right Kate5!LookingHard wrote:kate5 wrote:Ann, I love what you said.
I really get upset when I am made to feel that I don’t believe in God or have faith because I don’t believe in polygamy or all the rules that are required to get to the Celestial Kingdom or the November policy, etc.
I do believe in God. I also feel like I have more faith in Him now than ever before. It is because of my faith that I am on this crazy journey that I am on. I honestly feel like I have been directed this way. I know He helps me in so many ways in my life. I realize that I am not nearly the person I should be but I’m trying. In the church’s eyes though, unless I am following all the checkmarks, I’m doing it all wrong. If I try to follow my own path to God that doesn’t include everything they tell me it should, then I have messed up somewhere along the way.
It is so frustrating.
Sounds to me like you are doing it right Kate5!I agree, I think you’re fine Kate. And I don’t think DFU was saying anything contrary to that.
nibbler wrote:Speaking of speaking styles…
I struggle to come up with an adequate onomatopoeia for this phenomenon but during the first session there were a few speakers (not naming names) that do a ‘tmeax’ noise as they open their mouths to start each new sentence. The sisters with misophonia must have been really feeling it, once you hear it that’s all you hear
😳 Maybe it was a hot mic, something the sound engineers could address? I wonder if primary voice is autotuned into the sound mix.
:angel: I’m with you on that. Those soft little mouth smacking noises drive me absolutely batty. There are some speakers where I have to get up and leave the room. I just have to wait until the talk is transcribed and read it.
(I was really relieved to find out that misophonia is a thing – I’m not a heathen and I’m not losing my mind.)
This morning I got to thinking (dangerous). General conference is billed as god’s message to the world through the speakers (and the spirit) but it may help to frame general conference as being god’s message to a very specific subgroup of people. Usually there are a few talks that branch out into a more general Christianity, which is still a subset compared to the whole, but for the most part the talks are given by the orthodox for the orthodox. There’s always the risk that family and friends will latch on to something that was said and use it “against” people but for the most part conference is diesel fuel for diesel engines.
nibbler wrote:This morning I got to thinking (dangerous). General conference is billed as god’s message to the world through the speakers (and the spirit) but it may help to frame general conference as being god’s message to a very specific subgroup of people. Usually there are a few talks that branch out into a more general Christianity, which is still a subset compared to the whole, but for the most part the talks are given by the orthodox for the orthodox.
There’s always the risk that family and friends will latch on to something that was said and use it “against” people but for the most part conference is diesel fuel for diesel engines.
I personally dislike when members talk about Pres. Monson being the “prophet to all the world.” In pure doctrine he might be, but in reality he’s only a prophet to those who believe he is, and I think most of those same members would be offended if Catholics asserted the same about the pope (which is actually part of Catholic theology to some extent). I also don’t like when members assert that the bishop is bishop to everyone that lives in your ward boundaries. We are such a tiny minority where I live (.5% of the population) that the bishop could not possibly care for all of them, and most of them don’t want him to (and needn’t bother to ask for welfare assistance).
Along with the “conference culture” (your questions will be answered in conference if you believe, etc.) it is common for some members here to encourage us to invite our friends to watch conference. Really? I’m usually bored with it, why would I want to subject my friends to such a thing? I like them and since I have so few I like to keep the ones I have. And it’s not for them.
I agree, Nibbler, GC is for the orthodox.
I just don’t get why we aren’t crafting a message that couldappeal to the world, and I switch into a much kinder gear when I stop and ask myself if I’m treating everyonein our ward the same as I treat the ones who show up in the chapel. Letting 8yo’s in… Not for me, thanks.
I look forward to getting away from my brood from time to time.
Homeschooling is wonderful…and wonderfully exhausting, so I am one who would much prefer to keep this as an adult meeting. Sometimes I just gotta be with other adults…with no children around.
Saturday morning. Beautiful talk from Pres. Uchtdorf. I DO think this talk could have world-wide appeal.
What was it he said about people that aren’t excited about going to church being past all feeling or some such? Elder Hales’ talk so far is wonderful. I love the shout out to caregivers.
That’s the only paragraph I didn’t quite catch. Maybe just as well? Old Timer wrote:Elder Hales’ talk so far is wonderful.
I love the shout out to caregivers.
Yes.
And I like the stark question, “If we love the Savior more, will we suffer less?”
And, “Let us renounce the war that rages in the heart of the natural man.”
“Christ’s true posture towards us is the one expressed in Torveldsen’s Christus.”
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