Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ

[Anonymous]

To look oneself in the mirror and see “I AM” is to encounter the living Christ.

If I come to know my own divine nature then I come to know god.

Great stuff Brian

[Anonymous]

silentstruggle, I completely agree with you when you say:

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…I know the simple answer is prayer, but I am not finding myself all that successful at this.

I have difficulty with prayer myself. Back when I joined the church, I was very naive. Then, life happened. I remember giving my mother-in-law a PH blessing & she died. I was completely convinced that she would recover. Our family had a crisis & I prayer for understanding & got silence. There have been other times when I’ve felt inspiration & it came as a complete surprise “out of the blue”. I know God has an impact on my life, but it seems to be sporadic. Usually when I least expect it. So, I give thanks for those occasions & hope that they become more frequent.

Mike from Milton.

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To look oneself in the mirror and see “I AM” is to encounter the living Christ.

If I come to know my own divine nature then I come to know god.

Great stuff Brian

I’ve never considered this before. This may explain why it has been even more difficult for me to even believe God exists. Thanks Wayfarer and Brian for the thought.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone remember the story about the BYU religion prof that was publicly rebuked by Elder McConkie for teaching about trying to have a personal relationship with Jesus? Evidently the focus is supposed to be on the Father and not Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous]

GBSmith wrote:

Does anyone remember the story about the BYU religion prof that was publicly rebuked by Elder McConkie for teaching about trying to have a personal relationship with Jesus? Evidently the focus is supposed to be on the Father and not Jesus Christ.

George W. Pace was the BYU professor, and here is the speech by Bruce R. McConkie that vilified Pace’s book: Bruce R. McConkie:” Our Relationship wht the Lord.

it’s a bit of  sad and complex story.  Pace was the mormon answer to the 70’s nd 80’s jesus movment: charismatic and popular.  mcconkie wanted to shut down the born-again influence that Pace adopted.  i was in pace classes amd met him personally.  his influence on lds and byu youth in the 70s specifically focused on spiritual devotion to christ and being completely in line… including a very populust movement anti birth control…

mcconkie publically humiliated him, and he never really recovered.

read the linked-to materials and decude who was right…there are no easy answers on this

[Anonymous]

Didn’t Bruce R. McConkie write the words to “I Believe in Christ” in our LDS hymnal? The copyright states 1972. The words, “I’ll worship him with all my might; He is the source of truth and light” are in the hymn. This confuses me after reading his talk.

[Anonymous]

wayfarer’s point is a necessary one – that there aren’t any easy answers – no good guy vs. bad guy.

Yeah, afterall, that’s the height of irony. :crazy:

[Anonymous]

wayfarer, thank you for the references. After reading both of them, I must say, this seems wierd, strange, bizarre. Pick any word or choose your own.

Is this just semantics? It seems obvious that McConkie didn’t talk to Pace before he wrote his talk. Wouldn’t that be the first thing you would do before delivering what seems to be a public reprimand? Or, did McConkie consider himself the final authority on the subject?

Maybe I’m reading too much into this.

I do that sometimes.

Mike from Milton.

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Or, did McConkie consider himself the final authority on the subject?

Um, yeah – about pretty much any subject.

[Anonymous]

wayfarer wrote:

Great stuff Brian

I agree. Very profound. Thanks Brian.

wayfarer wrote:

… including a very populust movement anti birth control…

I’m guessing that was an unfortunate typo. :thumbup:

[Anonymous]

I think I understand the point McConkie was trying to make, but (I know I shouldn’t say this) it sounds like he was a bit of a jerk at times. Him giving that remark about black men never ever being able to hold the priesthood was crap.

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Ilovechrist77 wrote:

I think I understand the point McConkie was trying to make, but (I know I shouldn’t say this) it sounds like he was a bit of a jerk at times. Him giving that remark about black men never ever being able to hold the priesthood was crap.

Ya. I guess some people really found his bold comments inspiring because it affirmed what they believed…others just found him to be a jerk about things. It depends on your point of view you have as you’re listening to what he said. You could say the same about many of BY comments, and remember, we’re far removed from the time and culture in which it was said, so looking back on it adds another level to consider in how we see it through our lens. And believe me, that isn’t to defend or justify what they said…it is just something to consider.

But I can’t argue with you…some things make him sound like a jerk. That’s how I see it too.

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