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Someone had raised the question whether the press statement that prayers were assigned before the Let Women Pray movement happened was true. I have it on good authority that it was in fact true. Having said that, this topic was under discussion long before then. In late 2011, Julie Beck asked Mormon Mommy Bloggers to share issues women pondered in the church. I did a post in Jan 2012 outlining 10 issues I knew women were discussing. One on the list was why women didn’t pray in Gen Conf. Just for fun, I revisited the progress that’s been made in the last 14 months, and there has been quite a bit. Someone said there’s been more progress for women in the last 6 months than in the prior 60 years. I’m not sure of that, but there definitely is some change: http://www.wheatandtares.org/2013/04/09/youve-come-a-long-way-baby-mormon-edition/ ]
Hawkgrrl …thank you for posting this! It is fantastic to see the list of what has and has not been changed. Here’s to hoping things continue to progress! I will acknowledge that social pressure had nothing to do with woman praying in general conference this last week, when the the church leadership acknowledges that mormon feminists and many NOMs are in tune with the spirit and the will of god, because they obviously have been receiving the same revelation that the prophets/apostles. I don’t think anyone claimed no societal pressure was involved, just that the LWP movement wasn’t the direct catalyst. I did find it interesting that much of the progress differed from what feminists discussed (and may even be better ultimately). hawkgrrrl wrote:I don’t think anyone claimed no societal pressure was involved…
Oh, there are plenty who are claiming it.
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cwald wrote:hawkgrrrl wrote:I don’t think anyone claimed no societal pressure was involved…
Oh, there are plenty who are claiming it.
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I hope you’ve not been on MDDB again. You know how bad it is for your health.
I can’t help but wonder… And this is very ‘Area 52’ of me… But if the LWP campaign had not happened, then the first woman prayer would have passed unnoticed. Instead it got huge coverage. It even got a mention in a UK national newspaper. I’m not saying the COB staged the campaign. But it was certainly useful for church PR that this was flagged as progress in a pretty high profile manner.
mackay11 wrote:cwald wrote:hawkgrrrl wrote:I don’t think anyone claimed no societal pressure was involved…
Oh, there are plenty who are claiming it.
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I hope you’ve not been on MDDB again. You know how bad it is for your health.
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Sorry for being a little snarky. I enjoyed reading your article. And it’s good to see progress. Quote:I’m not saying the COB staged the campaign.
:wtf: 🙄 They didn’t.
🙂 Until recently I never really thought about issues of women in the church and was unaware of any movements other than a passing glance at a few web sites. I never noticed much oppression of women in church. Part of the reason is my own experiences. I grew up in a home where my father respected my mother and had an equal relationship. I married a great guy who respects me and supports me in whatever I do whether it is work or raise kids or pursue my education. I have also been happy in my roles as wife and mother and any pressures I felt in those areas were ones I put on myself. So my vision is clouded with positive experiences. Since my FC, my awareness has expanded quite a bit about LDS women’s issues. If I hadn’t been reading these boards, I would not have been aware that the first woman ever just spoke in conference. I pointed it out to my husband and he said “Really?” and was surprised. So I think it’s good that awareness of these issues are getting out. I looked through all the ideas on the list in the article and think they are all great ideas and really very reasonable (and that’s coming from someone who is only recently not TBM). I love the idea of a woman being a witness at a baptism or holding a baby during a blessing. I did not know about the menstruation issue for baptisms in the temple, but (funny story) my son did get a nasty bloody nose once and out of the water he went. Poor kid. Quote:Why is it necessary for the Primary President to be female (but teachers can be either sex) but the Sunday School president cannot be female (but the teachers can be either sex)? No change. But I will add to this list of nonsensical sex distinctions positions like membership clerk and financial auditor. A female CPA cannot be a stake auditor, but a man is apparently qualified, even if he can’t add his way out of a paper bag.
From your blog post. My wife and I (she’s a convert of 10 years) discussed this recently. My wife is a CPA with a Masters of Accounting from BYU and she can’t be our ward clerk, yet we’ve got a ward clerk who can’t add single digit numbers without his calculator. Why are there restrictions on callings like this that have nothing to do with the priesthood authority, but are nevertheless reserved for MP holders?
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:I’m not saying the COB staged the campaign.
:wtf: 🙄 They didn’t.
🙂 I didn’t realise there’s a ‘wtf’ emoticon. I’m guessing that stands for a good Utah style ‘what the fetch?!’
Exactly, mackay11 – and kumahito. Quote:Why is it necessary for the Primary President to be female (but teachers can be either sex) but the Sunday School president cannot be female (but the teachers can be either sex)? No change. But I will add to this list of nonsensical sex distinctions positions like membership clerk and financial auditor. A female CPA cannot be a stake auditor, but a man is apparently qualified, even if he can’t add his way out of a paper bag.
Interesting tid-bit. When I was a freshman at BYU, I was called to be the assistant to the assistant ward clerk and participated in the processing and recording of weekly tithing. I’ve never heard of such a thing before or since, but I, a woman, actually touched tithing money.
But a year or so ago I was released as Sunday school secretary because It was decided that the Sunday school presidency should be all male. I don’t know if the decision was a local one or church wide, but apparently the priesthood is required to pass out roles and ring the bell.
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