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jeriboy wrote:
I would be more than happy to bury it if no one has heard about it. I am 66 and perhaps come from an older school of thought. If you have an interest read the quote in Mormon Doctrine and perhaps ask some older well informed person, if nothing comes of it we can give it a proper burial. ” The terrible thing about the quest for truth is that you might find it.”
Lots of ideas are thrown around by people in the Church. I would not be surprised if you did hear that from someone at some point in your experience in the Church. It sounds sort of like a permutation, or off-shoot in a vague way of the Adam-God theory. In any case, there are many opinions, and that may have been one you heard.
Heber13 wrote:Ray, Valoel, Do you believe Adam and Eve were real people who had those names and started the human family?
If I had to be pinned down on a viewpoint that I thought was most likely, then it would be this:
I think it is most likely, from what I know about both religion, science and people’s experiences (which is limited), I think at some point in history super-advanced beings (call them God, gods, aliens, whatever, they are God to us) tweaked an already existing creature that was humanoid, and this turned it into a “human” like we are today. That was described as putting a spirit, or breath of life, into them. God called these first humans Adam and Eve. I don’t know about the whole Garden story. I think that gives a lot of important meaning and symbolism.
I don’t claim this is the one correct truth, but that seems most likely to me.
My second most likely option, in my personal opinion, is that we are living in an advanced virtual reality, a tangible virtual reality in every sense. It may as well be a dream, but with an important point to it. History may or may not have really happened. I can’t prove it to myself one way or another. This leads to our entire experience being symbolic and with meaning other than the temporal, mundane aspects of daily survival. Under this model, Adam and Eve are a story element in my experience.
Do I sound nutty yet?
Love it, Valoel!! Sometimes crazy is right!!!!
😆 Quote:Valoel said…My second most likely option, in my personal opinion, is that we are living in an advanced virtual reality, a tangible virtual reality in every sense. It may as well be a dream, but with an important point to it. History may or may not have really happened. I can’t prove it to myself one way or another. This leads to our entire experience being symbolic and with meaning other than the temporal, mundane aspects of daily survival. Under this model, Adam and Eve are a story element in my experience.
Do I sound nutty yet?
Valoel I am setting here partly amused, partly laughing, and partly confused, how bout you just put me out of my misery and tell me if you believe God appeared to Joseph Smith and this church is the restored church. I mean this stayLDS is a fun ride because we are all so different. And i can certainly admit, if anyone’s viewpoint comes across to me as not mainstream LDS, then mine must seem just as fuzzy. I mean have we lost the golden thread that used to run through all our different ways of thinking? That golden thread, being, touched by the spirit and having a testimony of the restoration.
jeriboy wrote:Valoel I am setting here partly amused, partly laughing, and partly confused, how bout you just put me out of my misery and tell me if you believe God appeared to Joseph Smith and this church is the restored church. I mean this stayLDS is a fun ride because we are all so different. And i can certainly admit, if anyone’s viewpoint comes across to me as not mainstream LDS, then mine must seem just as fuzzy. I mean have we lost the golden thread that used to run through all our different ways of thinking? That golden thread, being, touched by the spirit and having a testimony of the restoration.
I don’t take myself seriously either, so it’s good to have a laugh. Really.
To answer your question though, yes. I am comfortable with the idea that God and Christ appeared to JS. I believe that JS was sincere and that he believed his experience. I don’t *know* that this event happened exactly the way most people in the Church think of it. When I say “know,” I mean know like I know I had an Italian sub and french fries for lunch today. I believe JS had a vision. The fine details don’t really matter to me as much as the meaning. Anyway, I believe JS was a prophet.
BTW, neither of the scenarios I presented excludes the possibility of God as we think of Him in Mormonism, nor does it exclude the general ideas of the Plan of Salvation. If we are in a dream or virtual reality, the programmer is still God IMO. I base my VR view more on the spiritual and metaphysical experiences people seem to have. For example, a common thread among some mystics and especially NDE’ers is the comment that the other side seems super-real. From that other perspective, our reality seems like a dark and foggy dream. If you think about that from an eternal and Gospel perspective, from a pre-life and post-life eternity, it makes sense.
jeriboy wrote:the restored church?
the golden thread that used to run through all our different ways of thinking?
Eden?
Have we lost?
Quote:I mean have we lost the golden thread that used to run through all our different ways of thinking? That golden thread, being, touched by the spirit and having a testimony of the restoration.
jeriboy, valoel answered very patiently, but I have to point out that probably most of the people here have said they are here largely because of being touched by the spirit and having a testimony of the restoration in some way. Please, be very careful about characterizing us as otherwise. That common thread still is here – in most, if not all, of the threads and conversations.Valoel, I love the virtual reality theory, very sci-fi. Let me submit my own sci-fi idea that Jesus could literally be both the Father andthe Son if he were a clone of God.
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