Question for Hawkgrrl or others with an opinion

[Anonymous]

Old-Timer wrote:

We live in a social, money-driven world.

It is also a fallen world. What does money provide in “the work” that wouldn’t provide for itself with miraculous faith and love. I believe that the work of the Lord happens in things that currently require money (like disaster relief) and things that don’t (like forgiveness). This leads me to believe that if money ceased to exist, the work of the Lord would go on even if we never reach a perfect love or unity of faith. I agree that money is useful, can be put to good uses, and is necessary for church operations/administration. I just think that the work of the Lord is in all that and transcends all that.

[Anonymous]

Agreed, roy – except that, in our current world, money won’t cease to exist.

[Anonymous]

Great discussion. And I love your thoughts, Roy. Jesus definitely beckons us to a new world, doesn’t he? A new earth. A new person inside your body. New eyes looking around. And nothing left to grasp, because you have it all.

[Anonymous]

I know this topic is SUPER old but I was browsing for MBTI and this came up. SD, one of my best friends is INFJ and she is the most grounded of any members I know. Granted, she has also participated in most things under the sun so she has lots of life experience. But there is no way she will ever be shaken from where she stands. She speaks up in church constantly. Interestingly enough, she told me the more she is her true self the more people are drawn to her (per usual for INFJs) and can unlock themselves as a result. Basically her being her “gives” others permission to find and be who they are. Like that quote about our greatest fear isn’t that we’re inadequate, it’s that we’re powerful beyond measure. I acknowledge that depending on the leadership it might be more or less difficult, but if you have a balanced INFJ on your hands, the only people who aren’t being edified are the ones who don’t want it. Anyway, you can PM if you want more info. Her and I talk about it all the time.

Edited: edified autocorrected to deified. Funny correction!

[Anonymous]

I found the first few comments of this post really interesting too, being an INFJ myself. It had never occurred to me that my personality itself might put me at odds with the church on a fundamental level. This idea has really started to put a new light on my experience at church. I would love to get some more insight on how INFJs function successfully in church.

[Anonymous]

DancingCarrot wrote:

she told me the more she is her true self the more people are drawn to her (per usual for INFJs) and can unlock themselves as a result. Basically her being her “gives” others permission to find and be who they are.

Though I am not INFJ I love the idea of giving others permission to be who they really are by confidently showing who you are.

[Anonymous]

I just lost all of what I wrote…so I will try to recapture what I had. :think:

http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/2013/10/the-cognition-process-in-stick-figures.html?m=1” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.alittlebitofpersonality.com/2013/10/the-cognition-process-in-stick-figures.html?m=1 I love this explanation. The stick figures are fun, plus I love visuals. I find that when I focus too much on “type” and not enough on the actual cognitive functions, I eventually run into the walls of the box of the type. It’s incredibly frustrating to not be able to expand beyond, but that’s what the functions do so I try to stick to them. For my friend, the biggest key was realizing what energy was hers and what was other people’s. Once she figured out that the majority of what she was experiencing wasn’t hers, she was able to find ways to objectively deal with what was coming in whether it was disregarding it because she didn’t feel prompted to approach the situation or gearing up to head into the fray. Either way, sorting out what’s yours and what’s not, I imagine, will help immensely. I’m INTJ so I try to understand these things as best I can, but I can only go so far.

http://personalitycafe.com/intj-articles/76896-recognizing-inferior-function-intj.html” class=”bbcode_url”>http://personalitycafe.com/intj-articles/76896-recognizing-inferior-function-intj.html This comes from an INTJ forum, but it applies to both our types because it’s talking about when we aren’t using our functions properly. It is a bit long like the other one, but it has some great information. The basic point that I come away with is one that I find is brought up on here frequently: Don’t make mountains out of mole hills. And I truly mean that lovingly, not dismissively. So often when we get frustrated, irritated and don’t know how to deal with it (whether it’s because we don’t have the skills and this is a learning experience or we’re not being smart and using what we already have) we focus on the small things that we feel we can conquer to feel good about ourselves because the alternative is tackling the ACTUAL problem yet feeling inadequate and realizing that we might fall. Hard. That inadequacy can come from external or internal pressures, it doesn’t matter. But for as long as we focus on the details and not the actual problem, we will get nowhere. That’s hopefully where a Fruit Check should come in. “Hmmm, I’ve been pondering this thing in this way for a while and it doesn’t seem to be producing anything useful or good. I wonder if it’s because I’m focusing on the wrong thing? I wonder if it’s because I haven’t considered a different line of thinking? I wonder if it’s because I don’t have the knowledge or ability to do XYZ yet and I need to ask Father for help because I can’t do this on my own? I wonder……..” I’m just coming out of an experience like this. I have been standing in my own way for a while, and even deep down I knew it. But I wanted control and I wanted the solution and I wanted and I wanted and I wanted. I wasn’t being humble (which is NOT the same thing as thinking less of/about yourself). I was wanting all of the answers to come from me and I wanted to be happy about it. It wasn’t until my friend, the INFJ, pointed out that I was making everything about me. Once I stepped back from the situation I realized this immediately.

I don’t know if this was very helpful or applies to any of your situation at all. Please, if you’re interested let’s continue the conversation, maybe with more specific items if you want, because I feel like my experience may just be able to help you.

[Anonymous]

SilentDawning wrote:

observant wrote:

We just spent $600 on Mother’s Day chocolates. We aren’t sending a dime back. Who is that stupid?

See, I would rather err on the side on using funds too liberally for the sake of the good of the membership, than using them too conservatively for the sake of the organization. At least, when the organization is awash in cash and is a supposed charitable organization.

I would consider it MORE STUPID to demand all this funding and sacrifice from the members, only to let them languish in poorly funded programs which frustrate, and lose members and leaders…..

I wouldn’t have any qualms about spending $600 on mother’s day chocolates if there weren’t better ways to spend it. If the Ward had a ton of single mothers who needed that boost for what they were doing, or it helped show appreciation they would not otherwise receive. Or if it would help a group of disrespectful youth see mother-appreciation-behavior modeled by the Ward. If there was a need, I wouldn’t hesitate to spend the money there. Ultimately, I would like the decision to be made by the Ward council in consultation with the plan, I as a Bishop had helped them craft for that year. If that plan dictated a kinder, warmer, more appreciative Ward than in the past, then this expenditure might be totally consistent with the larger plan for the Ward.

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