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I was wondering if anybody else is going to start wearing some little ribbon this coming Sunday? https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/2016/05/29/the-rainbow-mormon-initiative-and-the-promise-of-hope/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/2016/05/29/the-rainbow-mormon-initiative-and-the-promise-of-hope/ http://www.wheatandtares.org/21254/rainbow-mormons-june-5th-event/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.wheatandtares.org/21254/rainbow-mormons-june-5th-event/ I am going to let my bishop know that I am doing it and that my intent is going to be to welcome any LGBT+ people and make sure they know they are welcome and I will not make any comments about the policy or that I disagree with it.
I saw this quote at the bottom of the blog: Quote:
And maybe someday, a General Authority will wear a rainbow tie or scarf during his/her talk in General Conference, signaling that their Love is unconditional, as it always must be.Had me thinking just how incredibly conditional love and acceptance is, in the church. The problem I see with people wearing the rainbow is that its message is not clear at a glance. The rainbow is a symbol of a number of things and I am not sure the average Mormon would be comfortable wearing it for fear of misinterpretation of exactly what they are supporting. I would rather see a different symbol, such as heart encircling a group of people, one of which is in rainbow colors, for example.
People know my feelings about these issues, because I talk about them. I have no desire to make what people will perceive to be a political statement at church. At church, something like this simply is too in-your-face for me.
Obvious caveat – I don’t know how many bishops are like this… But there is a bishop in my stake who threatened to take away the temple recommend of anyone who puts a rainbow filter on their facebook page or shows support in any way to LGBT causes. He views the rainbow as not supporting the brethren. I think he would follow through with his threat. It’s extreme but there are leaders out there like that.
Roadrunner wrote:…But there is a bishop in my stake who threatened to take away the temple recommend of anyone who puts a rainbow filter on their facebook page or shows support in any way to LGBT causes. He views the rainbow as not supporting the brethren. I think he would follow through with his threat…
That sounds like a challenge.
This sounds also like the year of extremes on every side of every issue in this country.
Roadrunner wrote:Obvious caveat – I don’t know how many bishops are like this… But there is a bishop in my stake who threatened to take away the temple recommend of anyone who puts a rainbow filter on their facebook page or shows support in any way to LGBT causes. He views the rainbow as not supporting the brethren. I think he would follow through with his threat.
It’s extreme but there are leaders out there like that.
I would push back and show him the comment that Elder Christopherson has made saying that you can be a member in good standing and support SSM from a political perspective as long as you are not pushing for the church to change.I also looked for the smallest emblem. This is what I ordered.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LFU91Q8/https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LFU91Q8/” class=”bbcode_url”> LookingHard wrote:I would push back and show him the comment…
I would I could. He’s not my bishop and he’s not known for his compassion, reason, or humility.I got some PFLAG (Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) bumper stickers and asked DW if I could put them on our vehicles. She asked me not to and I respect her desire not to make waves. My intent was to show support for gay individuals – to let them know that we are “safe” individuals for them.
Roadrunner wrote:LookingHard wrote:I would push back and show him the comment…
I would I could. He’s not my bishop and he’s not known for his compassion, reason, or humility.Unfortunately I do not think you could win this one. There seems to be ultimate discretion on the bishop in deciding if someone gets a TR. Who would you appeal your case to? Would the very fact that you are going over the bishop’s head and not humbly submitting to the bishops requirements imply that maybe you are obstinate and resistant to “gentle persuasion” and perhaps the bishop was right in revoking your TR after all?
I could see being successful in appealing a disciplinary counsel under the correct conditions – but not the revocation of a TR.
Just something to consider.
Roy wrote:Roadrunner wrote:LookingHard wrote:I would push back and show him the comment…
I would I could. He’s not my bishop and he’s not known for his compassion, reason, or humility.Unfortunately I do not think you could win this one. There seems to be ultimate discretion on the bishop in deciding if someone gets a TR. Who would you appeal your case to? Would the very fact that you are going over the bishop’s head and not humbly submitting to the bishops requirements imply that maybe you are obstinate and resistant to “gentle persuasion” and perhaps the bishop was right in revoking your TR after all?
I could see being successful in appealing a disciplinary counsel under the correct conditions – but not the revocation of a TR.
Just something to consider.
You sort of inferred this, but you could appeal (or go over the head of the bishop depending on your point of view) to the stake president. There is roulette involved with that as well, but in my experience I have found them to be generally more compassionate than the bishops. My own SP would set it straight with the bishop, but mine is of a rarer breed.
Roadrunner wrote:Obvious caveat – I don’t know how many bishops are like this… But there is a bishop in my stake who threatened to take away the temple recommend of anyone who puts a rainbow filter on their facebook page or shows support in any way to LGBT causes. He views the rainbow as not supporting the brethren. I think he would follow through with his threat.
It’s extreme but there are leaders out there like that.
Amen to the priesthood of that man.
Well I wore it today. Only one person even mentioned it, but I already knew she was very “progressive” on the gay issue. I emailed my bishop and even was in a meeting with him before church. No comment from him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
LookingHard wrote:I was wondering if anybody else is going to start wearing some little ribbon this coming Sunday?
https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/2016/05/29/the-rainbow-mormon-initiative-and-the-promise-of-hope/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://outsidethebookofmormonbelt.com/2016/05/29/the-rainbow-mormon-initiative-and-the-promise-of-hope/ http://www.wheatandtares.org/21254/rainbow-mormons-june-5th-event/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.wheatandtares.org/21254/rainbow-mormons-june-5th-event/ I am going to let my bishop know that I am doing it and that my intent is going to be to welcome any LGBT+ people and make sure they know they are welcome and I will not make any comments about the policy or that I disagree with it.
I’m so happy to hear of your intentions. I hope to hear from you how it went.I just got back from marching with “Mormons Building Bridges” in Salt Lake City’s Pride Parade. What a fantastic experience! If anybody here lives in a city where a “Mormons Building Bridges” group is marching in a Pride Parade, I would strongly encourage you to join them. You will never regret showing so many people who feel marginalized that not all LDS people are judging them. The hugs, the high-fives, the appreciate and gratitude people showed for our being there just filled my heart to overflowing.
Roadrunner wrote:Obvious caveat – I don’t know how many bishops are like this… But there is a bishop in my stake who threatened to take away the temple recommend of anyone who puts a rainbow filter on their facebook page or shows support in any way to LGBT causes. He views the rainbow as not supporting the brethren. I think he would follow through with his threat.
It’s extreme but there are leaders out there like that.
That really sucks.I am so happy to have a bishop who knows that I am affiliated with “Mormons Building Bridges” and who is fully supportive of my involvement. While I can’t say for certain how my stake president feels, my bishop did tell me that he (the bishop) is pretty sure that he (the stake president) would not have any problem with it either. For the time being, at least, I’m blessed to have these men as my local leaders.
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