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My3GirlsDad wrote:
The rules are just the means to the end of glorifying God and bringing people to Him. Do you agree?
Sort of. I think intellectually it becomes a kind of “chicken and the egg” conundrum. What came first the love or the law? The law is to love, and we are to love God through the law.
Jesus distilled all the laws into two: love God completely (with heart, mind and action), and love your neighbor as yourself. And then later Jesus says that the definition of loving him is keeping his commandments. He went further to clarify that he did not come to take anything away from “the law,” but to fulfill it. Wrap all that up in the teachings of his followers (the apostles) who preached that same mixed message: we are saved by grace through our faith being unable to do this through our works, and faith without works is dead faith unable to save us.
It’s classic scriptural paradox, not unlike great Zen koans.
My3GirlsDad wrote:The Dead Sea Scrolls corroborated the translation of OT scripture with almost perfect accuracy- so the whole translation error argument is tenuous IMO.
Quote:So I have made a decision. I choose to believe in the words of Christ found in the New Testament over the words that Joseph Smith said he got from God. I don’t know that I am right, but my confidence is very high and I believe it without doubting. I have made a decision about what I believe based on all the evidence that I have studied. It’s that simple for me, really. If forced to choose…I will bet on the NT.
I think it’s great that you can find peace in the NT. I love reading Tolkien, especially the Silmarillion which is basically the mythical bible to his creation of middle earth. I gain a lot from it but I understand that it is mythical. I’m not sure what you have studied about the bible or the NT. It’s fine for you to hold to the teachings in it but to base it on accuracy of the records, to me, is from a lack of research/study.SamBee wrote:I think there is no contradiction here… it’s more a case of…
“Honour thy father and thy mother”
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if they’re holding you back in your spiritual path, split yourself off from them.
I agree. I think that if we can look past the way things were worded and try to find meaning behind them, that we can still find worth in the scriptures that we can gain from. There are still going to be things we may just discard but I think there are good teachings in there that are of worth.findingmyownfooting wrote:SamBee wrote:I think there is no contradiction here… it’s more a case of…
“Honour thy father and thy mother”
BUT
if they’re holding you back in your spiritual path, split yourself off from them.
I agree. I think that if we can look past the way things were worded and try to find meaning behind them, that we can still find worth in the scriptures that we can gain from. There are still going to be things we may just discard but I think there are good teachings in there that are of worth.
I also agree, and I think the story of Nephi was a great example of how one can not let your parents hold you back, but still take actions you think are right and then still display respect and honor in a way that maintains relationships and strengthens the families.
Quote:1 Nephi 16:23
And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did make out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones.
And I said unto my father: Whither shall I go to obtain food?That is one of my favourite scripture stories. I love the respect he shows towards his father regardless of the father’s short-comings. The scriptures really do have a lot to offer if you want them to, if you look for it, and if you can see past the contradictions. findingmyownfooting wrote:That is one of my favourite scripture stories. I love the respect he shows towards his father regardless of the father’s short-comings. The scriptures really do have a lot to offer if you want them to, if you look for it, and if you can see past the contradictions.
Well said. So well said.
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