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mom3 wrote:
Ray and Mackay-
Can either of you get document supports for those quotes, ideas. I keep stuff like that in my scriptures to use at purposeful times.
Thanks
I have quite a lot like this. I consider it incredibly important to approach the endowment as a parable. I don’t take much at all of it to be literal.
I felt this way before my faith crisis. It’s my love for the Endowment that has, in part, kept me in.
On my phone right now so will look it up later.
mackay11 – I’m looking forward to this. Maybe post as a new topic? Thanks. Will do, I’m sorry it’s taken so long. I worry that I’ve built it to be more than it will be! Because of the sacred nature of temple content I’m cautious of what to share.
Quote:Because of the sacred nature of temple content I’m cautious of what to share.
Don’t worry about that here. There is almost nothing that cannot be talked about with regard to the temple in the actual restrictions stated in the temple itself. As a collective people, we have made WAY more of it than need or should be. I can’t imagine you will cross any line, since I can’t see you talking explicitly about the names, tokens and signs in detail – and they really are the only things that we are told not to discuss outside the temple.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:Because of the sacred nature of temple content I’m cautious of what to share.
Don’t worry about that here. There is almost nothing that cannot be talked about with regard to the temple in the actual restrictions stated in the temple itself. As a collective people, we have made WAY more of it than need or should be. I can’t imagine you will cross any line, since I can’t see you talking explicitly about the names, tokens and signs in detail – and they really are the only things that we are told not to discuss outside the temple.
Hmm, I’m not sure it’s quite as clean cut as that. I agree that we’ve no need to keep it entirely secret, but it’s still something I treat and discuss with reverence.
mackay11 wrote:Hmm, I’m not sure it’s quite as clean cut as that. I agree that we’ve no need to keep it entirely secret, but it’s still something I treat and discuss with reverence.
Agree wholeheartedly with the idea that temple topics demand respect and reverence. However, what I promised in the the temple to keep secret is very specific. I was so glad that my dad pulled me aside the morning of my endowment and told me pretty explictly what was going to happen, otherwise I might not have made it through.
One time I asked a member of the temple presidency *in the temple* what a certain thing meant and he told me it’s not my concern and that I should forget about it. Pretty rudely in fact, and his wife was with him and told him to answer my question, which he wouldn’t do. So I went home and promptly looked it up on the internet. People will get the information somewhere if we aren’t direct enough.
Mackay11, I sincerely look forward to your posts about the temple as a parable.
ibid I also treat the temple with respect and reverence, but it’s all out there in Nibley’s and Packer’s writings without even using the internet, and what is forbidden in the temple itself to be discussed outside it is minimal.
That’s my point: If we talk about it respectfully, there’s almost nothing that is “forbidden”.
mom3 wrote:Ray and Mackay-
Can either of you get document supports for those quotes, ideas. I keep stuff like that in my scriptures to use at purposeful times.
Thanks
“…the most sacred symbolic teachings on earth are received in the temple. In a symbolic way, the teachings and rituals of the temple take us on an upward journey toward eternal life, ending with a symbolic entrance into the presence of God. The characters depicted, the physical setting, the clothing worn, the signs given, and all the events covered in the temple are symbolic. When they are understood, they will help each person recognize truth and grow spiritually.”Was a new thread about this started? I can’t find one.
In our third hour combined meeting, the focus was on introducing the new youth curriculum to all the adults in the ward. It was a very good meeting, and the highlight was when one of the members of the Bishopric said, to the best of my recollection: Quote:Every one of us has to find our own paths within the Church and develop our own faith. We need to have a place where we can ask any question and not feel bad or stupid for asking it. That’s what this new focus is all about – helping the youth find out what they believe personally and then helping them live it.
Old-Timer wrote:In our third hour combined meeting, the focus was on introducing the new youth curriculum to all the adults in the ward. It was a very good meeting, and the highlight was when one of the members of the Bishopric said, to the best of my recollection:
“Every one of us has to find our own paths within the Church and develop our own faith. We need to have a place where we can ask any question and not feel bad or stupid for asking it. That’s what this new focus is all about – helping the youth find out what they believe personally and then helping them live it.”
Awesome Bishop
Is that idea conveyed in the manual too? It would be great to have as a ‘stock quote’
Shawn wrote:mom3 wrote:Ray and Mackay-
Can either of you get document supports for those quotes, ideas. I keep stuff like that in my scriptures to use at purposeful times.
Thanks
“…the most sacred symbolic teachings on earth are received in the temple. In a symbolic way, the teachings and rituals of the temple take us on an upward journey toward eternal life, ending with a symbolic entrance into the presence of God. The characters depicted, the physical setting, the clothing worn, the signs given, and all the events covered in the temple are symbolic. When they are understood, they will help each person recognize truth and grow spiritually.”Was a new thread about this started? I can’t find one.
Thanks, I plan to, just need to gather thoughts together.
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Every one of us has to find our own paths within the Church and develop our own faith. We need to have a place where we can ask any question and not feel bad or stupid for asking it. That’s what this new focus is all about – helping the youth find out what they believe personally and then helping them live it.I nominate your bishop to speak in General Conference in April, I would love to hear that from Salt Lake.
Sacrament Meeting for me was difficult, DH for various reasons hasn’t paid tithing in a few months and paid a lump sum, and it hurt, ouch.
Relief Society was great, an amazing sister in our ward talked about her journey of forgiving her brother who raped her. It was really amazing to listen to her, and that she is strong enough to talk about things openly that most people can’t.
The concluding speaker of the other ward in the building finished his testimony with the following statement: I know Joseph Smith died for us, and he is a true prophet.
Gave me pause.
Just to clarify, it was a counselor in the bishopric who said what I quoted, although it was my Bishop who told me the youth need to go beyond following instruction (Primary) and actually learn how to be pilots. The counselor also said that when he was a teenager in the Church, he learned how to parrot back answers but never learned how to find answers for himself – and that this curriculum is about freeing the youth to find answers for themselves.
Just for more detail, the counselor who said it is stereotypical Mormon by all appearances. He is a young doctor, his wife doesn’t work outside the home, they have five kids under 10-years-old, etc.
As for the question about whether that is the intent of the curriculum, it is. It’s a main theme of the training materials that are an official part of the curriculum.
Thought I would continue this thread we started a while ago….for people who want to describe how it went at church today. It was better for me today. First some people I know and who are largely good speakers spoke in Sacrament meeting. The content was merely OK, but it was intelligent and I didn’t feel like I was wasting my time. Sunday school was spent reading and nursing a back problem.
What was most interesting was a meeting for a campout for the young men and my son wants to go. I thought it was a very practical meeting — something I would like to see more of. That meant priesthood meeting was only 15 minutes long for me and it was tolerable.
Bishop and leaders did not come after me for calling stuff, and I was largely left alone. When I asserted my boundaries to the Bishop a few weeks ago, he lost interest in me, which is fine. A bit confirming about the egocentric nature of our church (tends to see you as a resource to staff it and achieve its goals), but I like being off the radar too, so it’s neutral.
Not unhappy I went, but I could have done without the showdown between myself and my 13 year old son who refused to go to church. He went eventually…
SD
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