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Around Jan my wife struggles with this, thanks both for the insights. I’m off to get some vit D!
SamBee wrote:I double dosed myself yesterday with the multivitamins yesterday. Also upped my water consumption, and did some breathing exercises. That plus prayer and studies. One or more of these has helped a bit, but my finances are up the spout until the New Year! (Which is not going to do me any good!)
I really can’t stand Xmas. Carol concerts etc are great, but the commercial, secular side is horrible, and rubbed right in your face. I don’t have family either, so this plus this SAD business is not a good combination!
As I was saying earlier, there are other aspects to this whole thing such as social withdrawal, and lethargy. Getting out of bed yesterday was murder.
Sam,
I hope taking the multi-vitamin helps you.
I take a multi-vitamin (& extra B-12 because blood tests revealed deficiency) in the morning.
Then, in the evening, I take Vitamin D/Calcium, Magnesium (may also help), Fish Oil & Vitamin E.
It really helps to get outside to walk – I try to go when it’s light, but even if it’s dark, it helps my sanity.
The sky is so beautiful – whether decorated by stars or clouds – it’s inspiring to me!
I hope you’re feeling better, Sam & that you feel like we are a type of family, who care about you.
Somewhere back there in our family lines, we’re all related!
🙂 Merry Christmas!
The vitamins have definitely helped IMHO. Christmas worked out surprisingly well this year, all things considered. No fights, good food etc. Even my shortage of money seems not t have been an obstacle. The only bum note was when the police pulled me over, and made me blow in a bag at 2.00 on Christmas Day morning. I asked them what the problem was, and they gave me a spiel about “You’ve obviously been somewhere.” (well that’s obvious isn’t it, unless we’re talking in terms of quantum space, but I wasn’t going to point this out) and gave a lame excuse (“your windows are steamed up.”). I said I knew that the only reason that they pulled me over was because of WHEN I was driving, not how I was driving. I tried to explain to them that I was tired and wanted to get the test over and done with. I told them I hadn’t drunk alcohol for years, because I was a church member. They managed to keep all this going for about fifteen minutes. My test was negative, of course. Ah dear… police, what can you say? Then they wonder why people don’t like them… I knew what they were up to as soon as I saw them. I was only driving two miles.
Hope everyone has a good New Year. (I was a bit preoccupied over Xmas, but it’s turned out okay in the end.)
SamBee wrote:…The only bum note was when the police pulled me over, and made me blow in a bag at 2.00 on Christmas Day morning. I asked them what the problem was, and they gave me a spiel about “You’ve obviously been somewhere.” (well that’s obvious isn’t it, unless we’re talking in terms of quantum space, but I wasn’t going to point this out)
😆 I don’t mean to laugh about your bummer experience – but how funny it would’ve been if you had said what you were thinking!
Maybe those police officers were the ones drinking… or… they were experiencing cognitive frustration regarding the concept of existence and time.
I’m glad things are going so much better, overall, Sam.
Quote:“You’ve obviously been somewhere.”
Man, I could have replied a few things to that… but since it was the police, I was a bit limited in how I could reply!
Reminds me of the man in an airport who tried to check my passport after an
internalflight. I pointed out that I didn’t need one, and didn’t have one! And just walked off. That was the end of that. I only wish it was that easy to deal with puffed shirts and bureaucracy most of the time, or indeed in the church!
Happy New Year to everyone…
I wondered a long time ago if people who have some sort of more pronounced issue (like depression of any kind, bi-polar disorder, social anxiety, etc.) are more prone to difficulty in a church that teaches, “Men are that they might have joy,” and is such a social, “life-style” religion. I have come to believe that they do, and, ironically, those who do NOT face those sort of things probably are the “whole” who don’t need a physician – and struggle to be a physician in practical terms. That’s another reason I don’t want people who are different to leave the Church. Many of them are the very people who could serve the sick who need a physician – and educate the others about minimizing their contributions to the sickness of others.
As a sufferer of mild depression I sometimes think one of the causes of being depressed is an inability to “see” the emperor’s clothes. Dreaming, invention, and funny enough blind obedience require an inherent ability to see other than currently perceived reality… How often have I wished I could just play along and not have this blasted requirement for everything to make sense when put together…the beaming happy faces are always people who can “just have faith its all true”..
Instead I ask the classifying questions…then I say..”well if that’s the case then what about this?” And expect some sort of sensible response…
This of course tends to make us not fit in with the gang…and sometimes that is not always fun..it would be nice to fit in with the other kids on the playground sometimes.
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SamBee wrote:Quote:“You’ve obviously been somewhere.”
Man, I could have replied a few things to that… but since it was the police, I was a bit limited in how I could reply!
Reminds me of the man in an airport who tried to check my passport after an
internalflight. I pointed out that I didn’t need one, and didn’t have one! And just walked off. That was the end of that. I only wish it was that easy to deal with puffed shirts and bureaucracy most of the time, or indeed in the church!
Happy New Year to everyone…
That’s funny – about being asked for your passportafter an internalflight. 
Some like to strut their authority so much that they don’t realize how silly their strutting can be.
It seems the only time people are on a generally equal “status” is as children in school.
Of course, even then there is some disparity, but generally, all kids are treated the same (for good or bad).
I also hope everyone has a Happy New Year!
Old-Timer wrote:That’s another reason I don’t want people who are different to leave the Church. Many of them are the very people who could serve the sick who need a physician – and educate the others about minimizing their contributions to the sickness of others.
I agree.They say that wisdom is simply healed pain.
I think the main purpose of life is to love others as ourselves, although that can be expressed in many ways.
I also think the practical experience of the LDS church is pretty good, as far as churches go.
johnh wrote:As a sufferer of mild depression I sometimes think one of the causes of being depressed is an inability to “see” the emperor’s clothes. Dreaming, invention, and funny enough blind obedience require an inherent ability to see other than currently perceived reality…
How often have I wished I could just play along and not have this blasted requirement for everything to make sense when put together…the beaming happy faces are always people who can “just have faith its all true”..
Instead I ask the classifying questions…then I say..”well if that’s the case then what about this?” And expect some sort of sensible response…
This of course tends to make us not fit in with the gang…and sometimes that is not always fun..it would be nice to fit in with the other kids on the playground sometimes.
I know what you mean, John.Sometimes, I get tired of not feeling like I fit in, & wonder if I’d be better off just going along and not questioning anything.
There are times when I feel so alone when I realize that things are not what they appear – that I cannot trust anybody to be my god/unconditional love.
I get tired of the stress that comes from considering multiple perspectives & realizing that there is merit in more than one.
They say that Jesus was acqainted with grief.
He was considered a heretic, and was betrayed by all of his friends.
Yet he is considered to be an example of pure love.
Maybe it’s true that our hearts were meant to be broken again & again, so our capacity to love could increase.
Old-Timer wrote:I wondered a long time ago if people who have some sort of more pronounced issue (like depression of any kind, bi-polar disorder, social anxiety, etc.) are more prone to difficulty in a church that teaches, “Men are that they might have joy,” and is such a social, “life-style” religion. I have come to believe that they do, and, ironically, those who do NOT face those sort of things probably are the “whole” who don’t need a physician – and struggle to be a physician in practical terms.
That’s another reason I don’t want people who are different to leave the Church. Many of them are the very people who could serve the sick who need a physician – and educate the others about minimizing their contributions to the sickness of others.
While I agree with this to a certain extent, I think we need to use caution when suggesting those with with mental illness can be treated with a spiritual physician. It’s not better spirituality that helps someone with mental illness, it’s better chemistry/biology.
While the “whole” (or those without mental illness) can offer support, I hope it never becomes a “pray more” style of support.
Quote:While I agree with this to a certain extent, I think we need to use caution when suggesting those with with mental illness can be treated with a spiritual physician.
I agree totally and would never say otherwise – and have said so in lots of places around the Blogernacle and actually in church from the pulpit. My mother has schizophrenia, and I have a son who is diabetic. There is NO difference in how they need to be “treated” for those issues, theoretically.
What I meant is that those who understand best and can minister best are those who have personal experience with something, not those whose only experience is intellectual or second-hand. Thus, if people leave who suffer from depression, bi-polar disorder, social anxiety, or any other condition that makes it more difficult to cope in a church like ours, it is that much harder for others like them to remain, as well. It’s no different conceptually than black members, gay members, politically liberal members, etc. who leave and aren’t there to support the next black, gay or politically liberal member who struggles to fit in.
I understand that it is comparatively harder for many of those members to stay, but their presence and voice is important for others like them – both in the joining and in the staying.
Old-Timer wrote:Quote:While I agree with this to a certain extent, I think we need to use caution when suggesting those with with mental illness can be treated with a spiritual physician.
I agree totally and would never say otherwise – and have said so in lots of places around the Blogernacle and actually in church from the pulpit. My mother has schizophrenia, and I have a son who is diabetic. There is NO difference in how they need to be “treated” for those issues, theoretically.
What I meant is that those who understand best and can minister best are those who have personal experience with something, not those whose only experience is intellectual or second-hand. Thus, if people leave who suffer from depression, bi-polar disorder, social anxiety, or any other condition that makes it more difficult to cope in a church like ours, it is that much harder for others like them to remain, as well. It’s no different conceptually than black members, gay members, politically liberal members, etc. who leave and aren’t there to support the next black, gay or politically liberal member who struggles to fit in.
I understand that it is comparatively harder for many of those members to stay, but their presence and voice is important for others like them – both in the joining and in the staying.
+1
Hopefully folks didn’t take my post as a pray your depression away statement. I take mild anti depressants and can personally say they helped change my life. My point was that some folks with depression issues tend to also not be able to operate in the “just believe” space. At least for me it leads me to analyze everything…this helps me handle the condition
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Quote:some folks with depression issues tend to also not be able to operate in the “just believe” space
Good point. I’ve noticed that, as well.
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