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When I met my wife, I was inactive. As a matter of fact, she had no idea I was LDS till a couple of years later. When I started going back, she had no interest in going or becoming a member. It was my receiving a priesthood blessing when I had my appendix out. She was so moved, she started going to church with me. It took a little while before she joined, which was fine by me. One thing that made us both uncomfortable was that because of the amount of time it took my wife to get comfortable, the missionaries would get a little restless and pushy. My theory in regard to time is that our whole time on earth is but a sneeeze to God. Enjoy what you’re discovering, smell the roses, and most of all this about YOU and your spiritual path, no one elses. My youngest son, who was so strong in the church at one time, became an atheist after he realized he was gay. He joined the ‘Raving Atheist’ forum online for a while but he realized how mean and nasty most on that group became and did not fit there. He realized he was more of an angnostic and joined that kind of forum. He enjoys arguing with Christians and now believes the lds church is false because he read a book called, “Who Really Wrote The Book of Mormon.” Yet, he is finding life too hard to live without God and has started praying and reading about Christ, the 4 gospels, and watching videos about atheists who have had ‘out of body experiences’ who now believe in Christ. As children growing up, we are given simple rules and believe that life is black and white. We shouldn’t lie, steal, etc. As adults we find life is much more complex and we have to think much deeper. Like what if you are a German, hiding a Jew in Nazi Germany and soldiers break in your home and ask if you are hiding Jews. You lie. This is why when Jesus was asked, “What is the greatest commandment?”, it was based on the principle of love rather than rules. So, now I just asked myself if this is the most loving thing to do in this particular situation.
bridget_night wrote:He joined the ‘Raving Atheist’ forum online for a while but he realized how mean and nasty most on that group became and did not fit there.
Unfortunately there are nasty people everywhere. I never understood why not believing in god would make you a mean person. I grew up around alot of nasty people who claimed to be christian. This really colored my view of things. Even a belief in god isn’t enough to make some people nice.bridget_night wrote:atheists who have had ‘out of body experiences’ who now believe in Christ.
Its strange how people who experience stuff like that jump strait to the conclusion of God. I see how it can be a powerful experience but all I think it proves is that you don’t know how the universe works.Roy wrote:I admire your determination to stay close with your husband. Sounds like he is a lucky man.
I think I am the lucky one.Quote:“pickles: Unfortunately there are nasty people everywhere. I never understood why not believing in god would make you a mean person. I grew up around alot of nasty people who claimed to be christian. This really colored my view of things. Even a belief in god isn’t enough to make some people nice.
You got that right about some Christians. You should not have to become mean just because you are atheist. But, it seems that those on either extreme (those who defend there is a God and those who say there isn’t one) can get testy. You have to be more humble to be agnostic. Pickles, here is a link to an interesting out of body experience my son sent me:
pickles wrote:bridget_night wrote:He joined the ‘Raving Atheist’ forum online for a while but he realized how mean and nasty most on that group became and did not fit there.
Unfortunately there are nasty people everywhere. I never understood why not believing in god would make you a mean person. I grew up around alot of nasty people who claimed to be christian. This really colored my view of things. Even a belief in god isn’t enough to make some people nice.bridget_night wrote:atheists who have had ‘out of body experiences’ who now believe in Christ.
Its strange how people who experience stuff like that jump strait to the conclusion of God.I see how it can be a powerful experience but all I think it proves is that you don’t know how the universe works.
To me, “out-of-body” experiences, precognition, ESP, apparent spirits, etc. don’t really prove there is a God at all as much as simply suggesting that science cannot adequately explain everything we see in my opinion which opens up more possibilities to consider beyond what we can reliably test. Sure die-hard skeptics can try to explain these phenomena as existing only in peoples’ minds, coincidences, etc. but personally don’t believe these explanations really apply to many of these experiences people continue to have. This is one of the main reasons I will probably never be an atheist because I just don’t agree with some of the metaphysical assumptions that atheists typically make.
As far as atheists being mean and nasty I think some of them just didn’t like their own experiences with religion or religious people so now they try to fight it. Of course, atheists that feel the strongest about this cause of trying to eradicate religion are often the most likely to argue with Christians and other religious/spiritual people in a disrespectful way which unfortunately gives some people the impression that atheists are typically intolerant bigots that hate religion. Maybe if people could see more atheists that don’t act this way they wouldn’t have this negative perception anymore.
Quote:Maybe if people could see more atheists that don’t act this way they wouldn’t have this negative perception anymore.
SO many applications for that statement – for others and for us!
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