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“Spurious Charges” sounds so much like President Hinckley. I miss President Hinckley. Back to Conference. I also love the phrasing of being perfected IN Christ and living a Christ-filled life. He takes a positive view on the afterlife. Spirit world is time to do rest, grow, learn. We skip this so often. I am glad he brought it up.Nice clarity that judgement doesn’t come at death. It’s a more hopeful message than death being the judgement.
Renlund and Soares should be good clean up batters here. Nothing to write home about so far IMO. Agreed DJ The Silver Fox again. Love him.
Breakfast Break. Fill in while we wait.
I love this hymn.
Renlund Why should Renlund consider being atheist be a disease or sin?
mom3 wrote:
He takes a positive view on the afterlife. Spirit world is time to do rest, grow, learn.We skip this so often. I am glad he brought it up.Nice clarity that judgement doesn’t come at death. It’s a more hopeful message than death being the judgement.
I do like how he made the point that all who follow Christ would gain eternal life. It was a little shaky the way he presented it, but it was in the context of judgement. I tend to be sensitive to the endure to the end idea, but the way it was phrased here enduring could be a short term thing.
ydeve wrote:
RenlundWhy should Renlund consider being atheist be a disease or sin?
Yeah, I have to say I’m not loving it. But I do like that he emphasizes Jesus loves sinners.
TRue DJ.I just like that he added some space. I find we are forgetting that idea from Joseph’s original idea. I don’t know what I believe either. “Repeated struggles to repent” – I love that this is being said more and more recently. I was happy when Elder Renlund was called. This talk appears to be an example of why. I actually like a disease comparison FAR more than something focused on choice, rebellion, laziness, offense, etc. I like Healer as a name for Jesus, and I like disease as a metaphor for simple, natural “fallenness”.
I would be careful of making him an offender for a word. The central message is wonderful.
This section touches me. I know there are bumps in this talk. But I think the meat is good. This talk has a lot of great direction it could go in a lesson, talk or personal useage. I prefer it to the 2nd talk. “He did not condemn the woman.”
Is it not possible to give a talk about treating other people well without obsessing over their motes? (Matt 7:3-5) To be clear, there are bad applications of the word “disease” – but that is an issue of definition of sin. “We who are sinners” must reach out to other sinners. Don’t self-righteously judge others as being less righteous than us. This is a good message.
I think he is struggling to straddle two thesis’s and it muddies the water a bit. I am going to sort out the part that touches me, which is love others as Jesus loves you.
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