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I am liking this part about judgementalism and self righteousness. “We must not be guilty of persecuting…” – a needed message. “The repentant sinner draws closer to God than the self-righteous who condemn him.” This talk is addressed to judgmental, self-righteous members. (and that can include us, if we are not careful)
We can’t persecute ANYONE inside or outside the Church. YES!!
“How ironically sad it would be if we were to treat others as we have been treated.” Yes, it would be. 🙄 Amen. “The Guiding Principle for Latter Day Saints is the same.” That is heavy. “For us to ask for respect, we must be respectful.” :thumbup: “We must guard against bigotry.” Seriously love the central message of this talk.
“He does not withhold love from us regardless of sin.”
ydeve – you get that pain more than we do. Maybe it’s my hopeful heart, but I keep hoping Elder Renlund is working to be a voice of change in the top leadership. That’s the hope I keep hoping. Hatred is too strong of a word. Most bigots don’t consider themselves bigots. They don’t think they hate people. But the bigotry is still there and has the same effect. “Discomfort” is a better indicator that we should be checking what we say and do. A small bump hear the beginning, but overall very good. Not a home run, but very good. Not a home run, but it was a 2 base hit. And a public push back to the more right leaning side, IMO. Another lovely accent. ydeve, I understand – but, given what I know of Elder Renlund, I believe he also understands. Often, general messages must be given before specific correction can be given – and I really do see Elder Renlund as someone who is like Pres. Uchtdorf in his vision for where the Church needs to go. DarkJedi wrote:
“For us to ask for respect, we must be respectful.”:thumbup:
I like that he used the word “bigotry” in his talk. I don’t think it’s a common one in the GC word cloud.But isn’t it too simple to just say that, “God is clear” about everything? No acknowledgement that human beings are the transmitters of this supposed clarity.
Quote:“God is clear” about everything? No acknowledgement that human beings are the transmitters of this supposed clarity.
I think this is where the talk kept bouncing off a couple of subjects and it didn’t settle well. Not bad. Just muddy.
Probably, Ann – but I am not going to focus on that aspect when the message itself was so powerful and needed in the Church. This was a direct rebuke of the culture that bothers us so much and the judgmentalism that has hurt so many. I need to respect and honor that.
Compare it to Elder Soarres’ talk. That one is a true example of simplistic generalities.
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