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I highly enjoyed this podcast: http://mormonmatters.org/2014/02/21/213-214-the-book-of-abraham-as-scripture/ I heard faithful Mormons having a scholarly discussion and sharing their individual perspectives on what scripture is to them and how they reconcile the Book of Abraham with the Egyptian Papyri. I could relate to much of what they expressed, and I appreciate the way they are able to “embrace all truth, no matter the source.”
On the Fowler scale I would say this is a stage 5 discussion.
I really loved it too but still have a very hard time accepting the essence of the podcast being that the book of Abraham is “divine fiction”. (That’s at least what I felt was the essence of the discussion. I have no problem with coming to the conclusion that it is divine fiction. But then to me “lord of the rings” etc is just as much scripture as the book of Abraham (and the rest of the scriptures). I can easily accept that a good portion of the vessel used for the translation is “polluting” the truth so to speak, but the way my brain works right now, I just can’t accept that nothing about tboa is true (factural truth, not spiritual truth) and still hold it as scripture, since Joseph smith and his contemporaries really thought it the text was very real and that the things written therein was actually once written by Abraham. I think tboa is one of my big stumbling blocks at the moment. I really appreciate the complexity that there is with Mormon history in general and the last couple of years have been such an eye opener but I just still struggle with tboa… Great podcast though. One of the best I have heard for a long time. There were so many amazing thoughts and ideas shared and I had a couple of “wow!!” Experiences.
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Bear wrote:I can easily accept that a good portion of the vessel used for the translation is “polluting” the truth so to speak, but the way my brain works right now,
I just can’t accept that nothing about tboa is true (factual truth, not spiritual truth) and still hold it as scripture, since Joseph smith and his contemporaries really thought it the text was very real and that the things written therein was actually once written by Abraham.I think tboa is one of my big stumbling blocks at the moment. I really appreciate the complexity that there is with Mormon history in general and the last couple of years have been such an eye opener but I just still struggle with tboa… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Do all the same issues open up for you re. the Book of Mormon?
I really enjoyed the podcast.
I guess not since there are no plates to examine when it comes to tbom. No facsimiles etc. some of the same issues pop up but others don’t. I guess it’s more tangible with tboa for me since we can actually translate the papyri today and see that it’s the book of breathing etc and the names of the persons in the facsimiles are different from the Egyptologists translation etc. with tbom we are left in the unknown about a lot of things since we don’t have the plates. But then again, it’s hard for me to explain everything here let alone for me to actually know what I think about stuff since I’m constantly evolving my view on many if these things (I’m sure many on this board know that feeling:)
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I thought it was good. They acknowledge we need to get past the idea of a literal translation from the papyri and take the book for what it has to offer. Of course you have to take this approach if you want to believe it was inspired. From a faithful perspective I thought they were quite balanced. I may not agree with their conclusions but I respect their honesty.
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