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This is shaping up to be a great thread. And it looks like many of us are shaping up to have some great parent-child experiences. I really liked Ray’s first reply (especially in contrast to mine
😆 ). Good stuff, everybody.Heber13 wrote:cwald wrote:I will admit, that is a good answer Heber.
I’m framing this post and putting it on my wall!!
😆 Yeah, I have one like that somewhere where I say something like, “I agree with everything Heber and Ray said in these last two posts…”
Doesn’t happen very often does it.
🙂 Old-Timer wrote:Quote:“My daughter is accepted to BYU now. What does it matter if she graduates seminary or not? I can’t imagine they can revoke their offer letter, she accepted it already and attends in the fall. Is there any reason seminary graduation matters to her now? Anyone know?”
If she attended in order to get accepted to BYU, it’s served its purpose.
I don’t know if graduation matters to her now. That depends totally on why she attends.
I assume that having come so close to graduation, it would be a shame to not follow through.
In our home we have a display case where we have mission plaques, seminary/institute graduation certificates, degrees/diplomas, and some assorted family keepsakes. The primary reason for this is to communicate to our kids that mission/seminary/institute/education are important in our family. Perhaps this is manipulative on my part, I’m trying to be subtle.
🙂 I’ve told this story before, so bear with me. When I was a senior in HS, I got into some WoW trouble, and my convert parents sat me down and told me they wanted us to all read section 89 together. When we got to the end, they both looked confused, and we all agreed: “That didn’t say what we thought it was going to say!” Beer! Beer! Beer! Beer! 😈 Oh, wait —
Just know that *I* don’t drink beer. Nope. In an unguarded moment this last week, though, I mentioned to my wife (in full hearing of two of my kids) that if I had lived in Nauvoo with the Saints in the 1840’s, I would have liked to share a beer or two with the prophet JS.
She just about had a cow, right there in front of all of us.
I think maybe there were a lot of assumptions going on that I don’t share with the rest of my family…
:shifty: HiJolly
cwald, I’ve read both threads, (here and NOM) and you have a lot to consider. I’m just starting to have opportunities like this one and its exciting and overwhelming at the same time. The other day the kids learned in primary that energy drinks had been added to the WOW. The counselor giving the lesson told the kids that it wasn’t in Section 89 but had been added to the WOW by our prophet. (I had to bite my tongue from screaming out……show me the source)
After that lesson my 10 year old wanted to read what it said in sec 89 so we went through it together. He had a hard time understanding how the WOW as it stands today comes from that section. I had a hard time explaining it. Reading this thread is helping me know what I might say if it comes up again.
Let us know how it goes. I will add that I don’t think she needs to worry about her TR just because she has questions about WOW. If she is implying that her beliefs are changing she still doesn’t need to say much to your BP. That’s my opinion anyway.
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canadiangirl wrote:The other day the kids learned in primary that energy drinks had been added to the WOW. The counselor giving the lesson told the kids that it wasn’t in Section 89 but had been added to the WOW by our prophet. (I had to bite my tongue from screaming out……show me the source)
This is a classic example of the original, intended targets of the Correlation program. In this, I support the concept of Correlation. There was way too much of this pre-Correlation. It’s fine to engage in theological speculation (which is a deeply positive aspect of Mormonnism), but NOT to then attribute personal interpretation and speculation to authority figures and preach it as doctrine for the Church writ large.
Reminds me of how avoidance of rated R movies suddenly became a commandment. Brown wrote:Reminds me of how avoidance of rated R movies suddenly became a commandment.
And the whole second set of earrings is not far behind.
I thought I read somewhere one time that it was actually presented at conference and voted on by the membership to make the WoW a commandment. Not sure where to check on that, but I agree it would be convenient to have it printed in our modern D&C. Orson wrote:I thought I read somewhere one time that it was actually presented at conference and voted on by the membership to make the WoW a commandment. Not sure where to check on that, but I agree it would be convenient to have it printed in our modern D&C.
I think there is some possibility of that. Sorry, can’t think of a good reference source at the moment, but I recall this in my murky brain cells having been discussed somewhere.
Regardless, it still doesn’t solve the problem of interpretation. Even if Sec 89 was voted to be changed to a “commandment,” we still don’t come close to preaching a practice of what that text actually says.
Brian Johnston wrote:Orson wrote:I thought I read somewhere one time that it was actually presented at conference and voted on by the membership to make the WoW a commandment. Not sure where to check on that, but I agree it would be convenient to have it printed in our modern D&C.
I think there is some possibility of that. Sorry, can’t think of a good reference source at the moment, but I recall this in my murky brain cells having been discussed somewhere.
My comment earlier in this thread.
Quote:My recollection is that the church accepted it as a commandment as we understand it in conference back in the 1870’s when BY was still president but nobody was strict about it until HJG came along.
GBSmith wrote:My comment earlier in this thread.
My recollection is that the church accepted it as a commandment as we understand it in conference back in the 1870’s when BY was still president but nobody was strict about it until HJG came along.
OK. Hehe. So when it comes up next time in a conversation, I will say my source is an anonymous guy on an internet chat board who said he thought it happened that way, so it must be true.
:clap: Brian Johnston wrote:OK. Hehe. So when it comes up next time in a conversation, I will say my source is an anonymous guy on an internet chat board who said he thought it happened that way, so it must be true.
:clap: I don’t mind not being believed. Being ignored bothers me a little, though.
GB, it’s more of a case of reading the most recent comments and not going back to the earlier ones, I’m sure. 😳 “Ignoring” happens all the time, and the majority of the time, it’s much more a case of forgetting than intentional ignoring.
I probably should have said so at the time, but my own recollection is the same as yours – that the membership of the Church ratified the change of the WofW from counsel to communal command in the way you mentioned.
Now Brian can reference two internet guys without an actual reference to back it up.
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