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Bus travel is going to be hampered if we keep throwing people under the bus. Eventually the bus won’t be able to go forward! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
For me the pictures were a minor problem. I don’t expect any art to be precise. Did Michealangelo’s David really look like that? Was Jesus really light brown haired with blue eyes? Did Washington’s horse really wear an English saddle with Western stirrups? Art is image. The challenge became when we made art the story teller. As for correlation the story behind the painting of the Sistine Chapel reads like a correlation night mare. Even Carl Block had helpers when he tried to fulfill his churches art request.
I seriously think we as a faith would heal faster if the top committee did a full blast release of corrections and then left it behind. And got onto flooding our lives with Christ centered ness.
But again no one is phoning. I sit here all day and wait.
LookingHard wrote:Bus travel is going to be hampered if we keep throwing people under the bus. Eventually the bus won’t be able to go forward!
Well…it can’t back up either, right?LookingHard wrote:Bus travel is going to be hampered if we keep throwing people under the bus. Eventually the bus won’t be able to go forward!
Three words:
Monster truck tires.
So what do you think about the process of using a seer stone for revelation? Is it any different from someone saying “I heard an audible voice as God spoke to me.”?
Seeing words from a stone…how weird is that?
At this point it all seems a bit hard to fully believe. It seems odd and that makes me think about how equally odd the entire story is. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
LookingHard wrote:At this point it all seems a bit hard to fully believe. It seems odd and that makes me think about how equally odd the entire story is.
Do you see it drastically more odd than Moses speaking to a bush on fire? (just wondering how we think through this…not trying to attack…sincerely asking what you think.)No attack felt from here. I see that as more of a story than a literal historical fact. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I also see the picture of Joseph looking at golden plates and translating characters into English as a story. How Moses actually got the 10 commandments to the people and how Joseph translated the Book of Mormon are not so different or weird to me. We like stories. Facts are weird without the story behind it.
That is something I have been thinking about a lot with many topics in mormon history, including BoA. Then I back into seer stones as not so weird when I really think about everything. They are weird when focsed on by themselves.
LookingHard wrote:At this point it all seems a bit hard to fully believe. It seems odd and that makes me think about how equally odd the entire story is.
I’m in the same place. I find the likelihood of scripture being translated through use of a stone pretty unlikely. I’m glad the church is putting out this article. I think it’s a great step in the right direction, as far as transparency goes. But, that doesn’t make it any more believable to me. And, regarding all of the other things like Moses talking to a burning bush, Jonah surviving being swallowed and vomited up, a talking donkey, God touching stones for the brother of Jared, and other miracles in the BofM and OT, I find them all just as unbelievable. The difference is that the people in the OT weren’t able to vouch for those stories themselves. JS actually made the claim that he used the seer stones in the translation process. Most of the OT and BofM stories, I can consider allegorical stories and find some kind of symbolic moral in them. But, JS wasn’t just speaking symbolically when he made claims about using the seer stones.
So, thumbs up for the article and to the church for allowing the research and the publication. But, for me personally, it does nothing to help JS’s credibility.
Thanks for discussion here. We’re going to slow down a bit and address some of my daughter’s other concerns that came out in this conversation. (First use of the word “lied” in connection with the church….) Everyone’s got an opinion and I can appreciate that it’s hard to choose, but I think it would have been better, if you’re going to display or depict it at all, to put it among other objects owned or used by Joseph Smith. It just looks so very strange sitting alone on a piece of fabric.
I agree, Ann. By itself it looks weird and hard to put in context.
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