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nibbler wrote:
Another thing I struggle with when it comes to seminary is the studies that show that teens need sleep. Early morning seminary is the only option here and I worry about how the sleep deprivation (let’s face it, teens aren’t going to go to bed any earlier) factors in.
Anecdote: My oldest daughter is doing better managing anxiety in this country, where early-morning seminary isn’t an option. But she misses daily interaction with like-minded peers.
In general, sleep deprivation exacerbates everything bad that might be going on in someone’s brain. In a small minority of cases, sleep deprivation is the solitary cause of those bad things.
Cnsl1 wrote:I hadn’t heard about online seminary.
Permission to do online seminary comes from the stake president and maybe even higher like the area authority 70. It’s hit and miss whether or not you’re able to do it and depends on leadership.
Roadrunner – It is a leadership roulette one. I have had both in my Stake. And when you can’t do online it stinks. Small secret – BYU has plenty of party in it. Most students know that. True its not out in the open but if a person is inclined it can be found. And there are plenty of places to explore sex on and off campus, too. It may look squeaky clean on the top but below the surface not so much. The Honor Code makes it look good.
It’s very unclear to me. I hate to say. But I do have a few stories 1) My daughter tried going to seminary. We bought her a car so she could go, and she petered out in her final year. She never graduated from seminary, and had a lower GPA (3.3 or something) and almost zero community service hours, yet still got admitted to BYU-P. She is testimony strong. I am not sure what happened — I thought you needed lots of community service hours, a high GPA and to be a seminary grad to get in, but apparently that wasn’t the case with my daughter. She likes it there at BYU though.
2) My friend is a former Bishop of 10 years. He has a very socially aware, intelligent son well-poised to do well in the world. This son HATED seminary and became fully inactive as a result. So, forcing people to go to Seminary can be very damaging.
3) My son is very grumpy about church too. He’s almost 14 and unordained, and refuses the priesthood. He hates going to church. We go a couple times a month. My plan, knowing his personality, is to encourage him to have some kind of religious training and affinity with the church, but NOT to force him. I can see how so many people who were forced rebel against it. I am seeking balance. I share deep appreciation whenever he goes with us, and talk to him about humanistic, gospel-oriented, non-doctrinal things.
It is an art. I think you need to assess their personalities, the likely results of strong, medium, and low directiveness in their gospel activities, and then make your best judgment.
As they say, God left all the easy problems to the physicists….the hard stuff is determining how to treat fellow human beings in such as way that achieves desired results. It’s tough.
4) I do feel much more at peace knowing my daughter is at BYU rather than some other university though. Although we have the Honor Code Office, and a lot of bad cultural stuff to deal with, I feel it is a safe place where she is less likely to be abducted, raped, drugged, etcetera. It feels like an extension of youth conference to me. It feels right for my daughter, and I would be more nervous given her age (17.5) if she was at a State school in a non-LDS state. There is comfort in knowing your children are in a protected environment for a while, until they get older…
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Four of my six kids loved early morning Seminary, except for a couple of bad teachers. Of course, I was fine with them skipping it when they were particularly tired.
Interesting. None of my four kids say they loved EMS or even liked it and two of them are pretty open about sating how much they disliked it. They went because Mom more or less made them. Mom was the teacher for three years. In fairness, the one who did some online seminary also doesn’t rave about it and probably the best we’d get out of him was that it was better than early morning. Our objective observation was that he got more out of his online experience than his early morning experience and he was actually a bit less burly during that time.
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