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I hope the tide is turning, country- and world-wide. U. of U., Westminster, USU – they have problems, too. “The Hunting Ground” documentary shows how widespread a problem it is. One of the cases highlighted is from Notre Dame. But I would be so proud if BYU stepped up and led.
I hate that it has taken this to draw attention to the problem, but I am glad the issue is receiving attention. I have worked in education for a while. This absolutely is a world-wide problem, and I mean NO excuse of BYU by saying that.
Old-Timer wrote:I hate that it has taken this to draw attention to the problem, but I am glad the issue is receiving attention.
I have worked in education for a while. This absolutely is a world-wide problem, and I mean NO excuse of BYU by saying that.
Amen. The church certainly can’t say they have the “gold standard” in this area. But unfortunately, it is a pervasive issue. And we are not even talking about some societies outside of the US it is extremely worse. I watched a documentary that made me cry. It was why many of the refugees were fleeing ISIS. They fled because it was very common for the women (and even girls) to be traded as sex slaves. You bet I would run like hell with my family to try and keep that from happening to my daughters. You can’t blame them.Looks like I am not the only one bothered at lack of anything coming out. https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/08/14/so-about-that-op-ed/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/08/14/so-about-that-op-ed/ http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4221854-155/op-ed-byu-drags-its-feet-in ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4221854-155/op-ed-byu-drags-its-feet-in And then some suggestions on what should be done
http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2016/08/6-things-byu-should-do-if-it-is-serious-about-sexual-assault-and-administration-accountability/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2016/08/6-things-byu-should-do-if-it-is-serious-about-sexual-assault-and-administration-accountability/ LookingHard wrote:Looks like I am not the only one bothered at lack of anything coming out.
https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/08/14/so-about-that-op-ed/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> https://bycommonconsent.com/2016/08/14/so-about-that-op-ed/ http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4221854-155/op-ed-byu-drags-its-feet-in ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4221854-155/op-ed-byu-drags-its-feet-in And then some suggestions on what should be done
http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2016/08/6-things-byu-should-do-if-it-is-serious-about-sexual-assault-and-administration-accountability/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/2016/08/6-things-byu-should-do-if-it-is-serious-about-sexual-assault-and-administration-accountability/
One commenter says:“To take the lack of news and claim that nothing is being done about the issue is a hasty conclusion. I don’t disagree that this issue needs to be addressed, and quickly, but it seems dishonest to me to make a certain claim, like the idea that BYU is dragging its feet, based on the fact that no one has spoken about it recently. Certainly if BYU is not taking action, it should be, but Evans implies that there is an unwillingness for them to do so simply because he hasn’t heard about it.”
I can agree with that, but I also agree with Evans:
“I did not mean to imply that BYU is unwilling to change – only that BYU needs to hurry and
could/should have taken some steps already, at least on an interim basis.I agree that we can’t completely make a judgement on the lack of progress after a few months. But I am not too hopeful when I look at things like the response to the “FreeBYU” effort where a group raised the issue with the accreditation group over the Law center on what happens to a member that admits to moving to a non-believer (that is they are kicked out and transcripts frozen). What came of that is the HC office said, “we will allow exceptions” and the accreditation group said, “OK, no problem.” The issue is that if you apply for the exception and are denied, nothing has changed – you get the same effect as today. Most BYU students are not so ignorant and understand the risk, so I doubt anybody is even going to apply for an exception (maybe someone that wants to bring a law suit might do it, but that still has tremendous costs – financially and educationally). Also, it’s important to note that authors don’t choose their headlines. The “dragging its feet” wasn’t Steve Evans’ choice, and his OP is very balanced and optimistic. Report with recommendations expected this fall: Ann wrote:Report with recommendations expected this fall:
I assume they made this press release since I was complaining about this on this blog.
Some people I know quite well think Pres. Worthen is a good leader for this issue. I hope so. Along with the attention Elizabeth Smart is getting by talking about how we frame chastity incorrectly, this could have a positive net impact on our culture.
We’ll see.
Old Timer wrote:Some people I know quite well think Pres. Worthen is a good leader for this issue. I hope so.
Along with the attention Elizabeth Smart is getting by talking about how we frame chastity incorrectly, this could have a positive net impact on our culture.
We’ll see.
I agree. Here is a link to a talk given by Elizabeth Smart:
Well we are coming up on 7 months since the issue was raise and the not-so-good news keeps coming in SL Trib – “With state probe underway, records show BYU police frequently access other agencies’ police reports.”I just scratch my head out of not understanding the lack of much of anything of a response looks like from the outside. This is in no way a smoking gun, but it does add a bit of smoke to the equation and a bit more concern about a fire being somewhere.
Quote:the BYU department’s frequency appears high, according to a Provo police sergeant.
BYU police searched the database at a relatively consistent rate until June of this year — when a decline began, shortly after the Utah Department of Public Safety began investigating the department’s use of other agencies’ records.
The data raises further questions about how officers on the campus, which is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, access and share their own reports and the records of other agencies, and whether they are working as enforcers of the school’s Honor Code.
It just looks bad. There must be some forces that really want to keep the “if individuals just had not broken some minor infraction of the honor code, nobody would have any issues with sexual assault” mindset.Minyan Man wrote:I agree. Here is a link to a talk given by Elizabeth Smart:
I really wish they’d ditch the dumb analogies; do you really want to chew last week’s gum again? Keep licking a cupcake you started 20 years ago?
LH – It’s all inbreeding. Takes years to eradicate. Seriously. mom3 wrote:LH – It’s all inbreeding. Takes years to eradicate. Seriously.
My frustration is high today.
Thatwas clear leadership, a point in time where we said what the policy is, and at least gave a strong impression that we should consider changing our hearts and minds. It might take forty years to change hearts and minds re. women and sexual assault, but I want leaders who point and say, “Over there’s the promised land. That’s where we’re going.”
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